Small PHEVs?
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Or best of both worlds…
Sounds to me like you are looking for two things here, a small car and a big car that can carry people comfortably and big loads, no wonder you are struggling.
Something Polo sized ~4m is not giving you comfort and space without being a higher riding SUV type, as the only way to give more space in a car that's 4m short with two motors and fuel sources is to go up.
You need to pin down what you are after with a budget. 300 miles with a PHEV should be zero problems, even if you had a silly small petrol tank its so easy to fill a petrol ( time and availability wise ) it is not a concern.
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Pretty much this for me, it does the EV stuff so when doing the family stuff around town etc, its all zero emissions, guilt free loitering at School/sports venues etc waiting for kids with heat/ac on, no engine running, can be sat in the car for an hour or so at some sessions when the weather is harsh, laid back, massage chairs on watching TV listening to music etc, all on electric, no more idling, forget standing at the sidelines with an umbrella I'm not down for that.
Previously I'd just be in my car idling, zero ***** given in the quest for personal comfort
but this is better, Similar for the missus doing the school runs etc, often sat around in car waiting.Then when I want to do distance stuff, I've got a practical fuel source that can take me 600 miles or ~400 towing. Perfect dual use vehicle. Its fair to say I could have done this with two cars for the same money, but meh, whatever.
Phevs fail as electric cars due to the pointless low range and are bested by straight up ICE over long range.
Don't know the OPs exact scenario but from everyone I've ever talked to about going EV always severely overestimate how often they need to do a long journey and how challenging it would be to top up on a rapid at a services for 25mins while you take a **** and grab a coffee.
Sounds like he wants an ICE car with an engine size to be more efficient in the most frequent journey type. Phevs are the worst of both worlds unless BIK is involved
Don't know the OPs exact scenario but from everyone I've ever talked to about going EV always severely overestimate how often they need to do a long journey and how challenging it would be to top up on a rapid at a services for 25mins while you take a **** and grab a coffee.
Sounds like he wants an ICE car with an engine size to be more efficient in the most frequent journey type. Phevs are the worst of both worlds unless BIK is involved
Fail very much depends on your driving profile our daily mileage fits well inside our batteries 35-40 mile range.
It also depends on the ICE too, the petrol ICE portion of our Volvo matches our old diesel ICE, so we've lost nothing, though not gained anything on the ICE side.
Certainly for most of our long journeys a diesel would be the superior vehicle though if chosen well, but it'd be rubbish around town, as we found, if it wasn't for towing, we'd have full EV and tolerate charging stops.
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In summer my 330e is fine, the sums add up, worst case with no charge i still get 47mpg on a run. If i charge im getting 33miles (11kw usable battery) of pure electric miles. And thats with me paying 1.35 for UL and 0.35 ish a unit for electricity. Winter is where, comfort and green credentials aside, you lose out.
But a 30-40 mile daily profile can be serviced by any EV on the market or efficient small engine ice.
I had the same debate, albeit back in 2018, but factoring in costs, range efficiency, servicing and tax phevs were just a non starter without a company car scheme being involved. Btw In all this time I've have to use 3 rapids.
I had the same debate, albeit back in 2018, but factoring in costs, range efficiency, servicing and tax phevs were just a non starter without a company car scheme being involved. Btw In all this time I've have to use 3 rapids.
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this is true of some but not all. the i3 REx (I know OP has ruled it out) is still a decent EV but can also travel on petrol of needed
Indeed, but find one of those that'll tow a couple of tonnes
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Fully agree if they made hybrids in the spirit of the i3 rex they'd be great options for a lot of folk because that design really does offer the best of both worlds. Sadly they've manufacturers went half assed ice cars with a few batteries bolted on to give you 20 odd miles.
For the heavy duty stuff towing a couple of tonnes in an EV starts at 50k ( Volvo, fisker otw and the big Kia/Hyundai's) but for that money I'd get 2 cars that fit the use cases.
For the heavy duty stuff towing a couple of tonnes in an EV starts at 50k ( Volvo, fisker otw and the big Kia/Hyundai's) but for that money I'd get 2 cars that fit the use cases.
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I know nothing about engineering and what not so probably a good reason... but it surprises me the ipace can only pull 750kg when other cars like the EV6 can pull over double. is it just a testing thing and if JLR did the tests it would be licenced to do it?
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It’s more the body demands and idea for more lifestyle things or even wheelie bins in Holland rather than shed dragging EVs as it kicked off the premium BEV products
The main problem with scaling up the i3 rex to be a more decent car with space, luxury and comfort etc, is the weight starts to shoot up and then the batteries don't last as long and that's where you end up, the i3 rex has a pretty big battery for its size so its basically and EV with a genny, when the genny is running to charge what mpg is it getting, probably not as much as an ICE car of similar weight/size.
These half assed hybrids do the same job, for me it is offering best of both worlds and works really well, but that's because I did the research a bought what works for my use case, it fits our life perfectly, most days we can charge at home or at work and for anything else outside of the daily drudgery we don't have to give charging a second thought. New eu rules will mke the have even longer EV range so they'll only get better, just a shame tax incentives apllied to EVs don't apply for these because it is suggested many did not charge them in the past, that sucks for me.
It is a very practical EV solution, some of these hybrids like the new Civic etc, are pretty good too.
Yup almost did 2 cars but its a logistical nightmare, already have too many vehicles. No EV is really suitable for towing regardless of being specced for it, unless you don't travel far. Fiskers NMC battery might go some way to help that or Zeekers 001 140Kwh jobby ( I would have up for this) but until we've seen some real life range tests, hard to know what they are REALLY capable of, because we all know what EV claims are like, I had a pre-order in for the Fisker but couldn't wait forever and actually when I sat in it the other week it is low quality tat in side, very American, so I'm kinda of glad they were so slow, shame as I really liked how it looked IRL.
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I do appreciate the feedback (well, most of it) but for the life of me I can't understand why people are so keen on the BMW i3REx. The BMW i3REx is no longer manufactured and is subject to a class action in the USA on the basis that it "is dangerous and can result in a catastrophic situation for all those on the road.". So far as I know, the basic BMW i3 has been dropped by BMW - perhaps because it is so small? In the circumstances, it would seem to be absolutely mad to believe that BMW had got it all wrong.
As to why I want a PHEV, I believe that the situation in London (e.g. the ULEZ) is unlikely to be favourable for ICEs in the future; as it happens, I am very much in favour of reduced pollution (c.f. the A205 & A406). I do not do a massive annual mileage but I do have to make some 250+ mile trips out of London five or six times a year. When I do these trips I tend to have a somewhat "loaded" car.
Perhaps I should just go for a Smart EQ ForTwo and use a ZipCar when I need to - or simply stick with what I have got now and wait for improvements in EVs and for further restrictions to come into play?
As to why I want a PHEV, I believe that the situation in London (e.g. the ULEZ) is unlikely to be favourable for ICEs in the future; as it happens, I am very much in favour of reduced pollution (c.f. the A205 & A406). I do not do a massive annual mileage but I do have to make some 250+ mile trips out of London five or six times a year. When I do these trips I tend to have a somewhat "loaded" car.
Perhaps I should just go for a Smart EQ ForTwo and use a ZipCar when I need to - or simply stick with what I have got now and wait for improvements in EVs and for further restrictions to come into play?
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Because the American's love a good lawsuit and it only presents behaviour in quite a predictable way:
"In our experience, that occurs at high speeds, usually on long uphill stretches, perhaps with all four seats occupied, and more often in colder weather."