Unfortunately whilst I'm a PHEV owner and I think they are great, PHEVs will be the next unfavorable vehicle due to the generally accepted view that no one charges them
so don't think you will win on that score either.
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so don't think you will win on that score either.Perhaps go back and read your opening post?
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Haha oh yeah I forgot they are called SELF CHARGING HYBRID.Unfortunately whilst I'm a PHEV owner and I think they are great, PHEVs will be the next unfavorable vehicle due to the generally accepted view that no one charges them
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Pug actually give you points each year that you can redeem against a petrol rental.
Whilst it can charge itself via its petrol engine and regen etc, Self charging Hybrid term tends to refer to the cars that don't have a method of plugging in to charge.
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ugh that is terrible marketing and it really puts me off toyota. A shame as it isnt a problem with the technology that i have but how they market it.
one of the adverts i saw was bascially takign the .... out of EV users any showing their "self charging hybrid" to be better.............. well maybe, but then that is because it is powered by fossil fuels.
I dont mind companies showing their product off in a good light.... but not if it means making crap up.
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so trying to market a massive weakness as a sales point then? (note not having a pop at you, but at the toyota marketing!)
edit.. .crap! its not even just toyota using the term now.... <sigh>
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Why is it a weakness, it does work as an alternative technology, there are many paths to lower emissions, yes it using fossil fuels but in the UK so are most people using the mains electricity supply regardless of how much renewables we have, because to class as renewable you can still do it like Drax, chopping tonnes of forest in an other country, shipping it around the world and then burning it big style in UK with massive emissions, nice and clean
I'm sure it will all get better in time, once we have some new cleanish nuclear power stations ...... whenever that might be.
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I struggle with the people so against the phrase “self charging”, their regurgitation of it I find far more folly than Toyotas simplified technology description. It was kind of created AFTER plug in hybrids came to the market as a response to how customers would use their cars. Ie no change to reenergising the vehicle to the current process.
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because it is making out that it is somehow an advantage over plug in hybrid... And it isnt just me arguing a hypothetical... my mum, god bless her, not a stupid woman but completely tech ignorant asked me why i bought an EV, surely i would have been better buying a self charging hybrid.
i took it on face value and explained we had looked at an i3 with range extender and indeed it could still be in our future, but that i didnt want a hybrid that we could not plug in because i have solar and battery and this just seems the next logical progression to get away from burning fossil fuels.. My mum then asked, how it gets its power seeing as it is self charging!. I kid you not that is the truth. Yes you can argue she should know better, but imo it is people like her they are trying to befuddle.
why i have issue with it is because there was already an established hierarchy of EV
Hybrid
plug in hybrid
EV
simples!. By muddying the water with Self charging hybrid then it makes it sound like it has some amazing feature that a normal hybrid or a plug in hybrid is lacking.
and using the "but regeneration going down hill etc"... well by that reckoning i have just bought a self charging EV then
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The Rex is thought well of because it's designed to function as an EV for 70-80mile and a small engine. A true hybrid. Most other hybrids are just ice cars with small batteries thrown in to tick a box, usually amounting to 20 odd miles of range.
I'd agree with you re the looks but I think the function of such a design calls for a car with no bloat. More batteries = more weight != More range
I personally wouldn't rule out a car based on 5 potential long journeys a year but each to their own. I'd skip breakfast that day and grab a bite at a services 200odd miles away to help kill the 30mins.
Toyota needed to do something to ensure their technology stayed relevant from a marketing perspective - they couldn't sit by and let it become drowned out as just 'hybrid' in a sea of different types of hybrid technology. It needed something to define it as different to plug-in hybrid, mild hybrid and range extender hybrids, so you can hardly blame them for coining a term that's got the most positive marketing spin they can get away with.
As for whether it's an advantage over a plug in or not... well for people who can't or won't plug them in, I think they compare pretty favourably on overall mpg vs their PHEV competition when not charged, as the plug ins have a far bigger battery to carry around than is necessary to take advantage of regen as the 'self charging' tech aims to do.
As for whether it's an advantage over a plug in or not... well for people who can't or won't plug them in, I think they compare pretty favourably on overall mpg vs their PHEV competition when not charged, as the plug ins have a far bigger battery to carry around than is necessary to take advantage of regen as the 'self charging' tech aims to do.
I was holding out hope for them to be a brand but disappointed to hear about the standard American craftsmanship. I almost renewed up to an infinity but servicing concerns put me off so I just bought out end of PCP. Cautiously awaiting polestar 4 reviews.
Going German would be a no brainer but they're so expensive for what you get. Shame really. China has a shot a really disrupting the market if they get their act in order.
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Toyota advertising.
I'm not sure it was a production model so maybe there's some hope it'll improve but unfortunately whilst they are doing a good thing with respect to recycled materials, they looked like cheap materials. I guess you could make a case that it actually starts at a low sticker price therefore you shouldn't expect it to be premium, its bump up in price is for the batter tech, perf and range, but I don't know if I'd feel happy paying 60k to sit in that, no matter how far/fast it goes, I thought the Jeep Avenger was nicer inside for a cheap car, as were the BYDs and Oras etc.
Toyota coined it back in the day.
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Well FFS....they aren't launching it in the UK because apparently everyone here is turning into tiny-weenered American wannabes that only buy massive SUVs.
SMH
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i imagine us being a RHD country doesnt help (i wonder if they are selling it in Oz?)Well FFS....they aren't launching it in the UK because apparently everyone here is turning into tiny-weenered American wannabes that only buy massive SUVs.
SMH
There is more profit in bigger cars........ Dont get me wrong, there must be some truth in it, for a family as a main car we would struggle with just having a prius sized car... but as a 2 car family, a 2nd smaller car to go with our larger familiy holiday car makes massive sense.
Ford are stopping the fiesta as well..... is it because there is no market for a small car however, or is it because they cant get the profit margins they want on a small car - esp when adding in having to do a special RHD version?.
I mean, if it was a choice between a 12K small family car as our school run runabout or 25k on a big SUV to be used for the same thing.... i am gonna pick the cheaper car.
but if they are gonna try to do a honda E and charge getting on for 30k for the car with huge practicality limitations and limited range , then damn straight i am gonna buy a larger car for the same price (MG IV for instance). That is basic value for money however and nothing to do with american wanna be.
btw Tesla are stopping selling the model X and model S in the uk (and Oz) markets.... so its definitely not all about us wanting big cars.
PS if we are talking Toyota car looks.... for me it would have to be the Toyota CH-R i think it is. that is a smart looking car (ok i would like a supra but i could not justify that)
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