1930s Semi Refurb - Part 7 of ... (Edition: Interim Kitchen / Snug)

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I spent the last few hours on DIYkitchen. This is with the re-jigged window I mentioned. I would also need to brick the door up otherwise I'd lose too many cupboards. Going through the dining/living room doesn't bother me tbh - my mums house was like that for the 23 years I lived there and I thought nothing of it. Maybe I'll go around the back as I'll be having new front/rear doors soon too.

I have already "swapped" the rooms from what is labelled to how you suggested. It works really well. Luckily the washer/dryer are stacked in the room labelled "lobby" which I can shut off and it does a pretty good job of stopping the noise.

the window is in the mock-up ? can't be embedded behind the sink - don't want too much full height stuff on window wall - that's how the light gets in,
- having hob at the end makes access to it a bit restricted if you have two people cooking, original hob location looked better.

these windows/similar as a slideable seperator with kitchen area would be nice.

.. you meant previous owner had had dining at front I guess
 
the window is in the mock-up ? can't be embedded behind the sink - don't want too much full height stuff on window wall - that's how the light gets in,
- having hob at the end makes access to it a bit restricted if you have two people cooking, original hob location looked better.

these windows/similar as a slideable seperator with kitchen area would be nice.

.. you meant previous owner had had dining at front I guess
This is what is labelled Living Room but currently being used as a Dining Room + Office space for me:

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My intention is to keep this as a Dining Room as it is out of the way/not part of the foot fall of the house. It is also wide enough to have my desk, and cut off enough from the Living Room that I can be down here with wife/kids without being overlooked or me annoying them with video gaming/late working etc.

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This is what is labelled Dining Room but currently being used as the Living Room, and intended to be opened up into the Kitchen/Living room:

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The kitchen as it currently stands:

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n.b. this was taken with the Hue Aurelle light set to god aweful PTSD inducing colour temperature but it works great for photos.

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Spot on suggestion with the Crittall window; I had actually been eBaying this morning to see if I could win the lottery and find a mismeasure that would work. I think I may have but it doesn't open and is probably a bit too narrow.

Garbage mock-up but I'm thinking something like this:

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n.b. the window pictured is actually for sale second hand, but it is a vertical orientated window that opens fully, hinged to the left as pictured. Not sure that would work? But if it does, a dirt cheap way of acheiving what I want... I would mount it at work surface level to make the work top go right up to it.
I also found this guy on eBay that could work, but it doesn't open and it slightly too small height wise.

Regarding light --- this window overlooks the side return at a NNE direction, so ultimately doesn't get any light anyway.


"The desired effect"
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Noted regarding the hob, I totally agree - as the kitchen roof where it is depicted in the diagram houses the stairs, which makes space limited for the extractor fan. However, this seemed like the lesser of two evils as ultimately it'd look a bit odd having tall boy cupboards here, as you could only fit 1 600mm wide corner unit (mostly wasted space) and 1 600mm full unit; and then you are bust (max height is 1.6m to get a 600mm unit and then you have wasted the corner space):

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Diagram to show how the space is max utilised with the Hub in this "second choice" location, leveraging the smaller depth corner units to avoid wasting space, but also allowing me to "push" the island into the living room a bit to open up the floor space of the kitchen itself:

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N.b. as you can see I'll have to butcher two units on the bottom left corner to accommodate the wall, but it means that absolute wasted space at the moment gets fully utilised.


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Ultimately the beauty of this idea is, I get my "weird" layout which is specific to my computer setup being out of the way, but any future owners could easily whack a dining table in that room and be golden if they wanted the kitchen diner effect.

The only "sunk" cost I am worried about is, if we do get the £50k rear extension, or the £100k+ side return double-story extension, the kitchen will be moved again- although given I am doing the work my self, the cost isn't astronomical (I reckon £10k [god knows where this is coming from]) and most of the kitchen units can be re-used.
 
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Right,

Back to the drawing board. Ran out of money - don't want to open plan the kitchen anymore. Looking at a nice refresh.

Thoughts on the weird corner?

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The door opens inwards and blocks the cabinet currently set as the wicker basket open thing. Looks a bit gash with the wood colour? Need to see what alternatives DIY Kitchens can do.
 
Are you still putting in a new size window? Will need to get a steel in potentially if its very wide or at least a concrete lintel


For your q re doors why don't you just have pull out pan drawers for that section?


Also, why have you binned the "open plan" idea? Cost saving? Overall surely it would add more value to the house say you needed to refinance, and is what most people (myself included) would prefer. Obviously I don't know your finances/future plans, still planning an extension later?
 
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We’re in a similar position to you.

We are hoping in the next 5years to do a side extension to extend the kitchen and make space for an office, however, as that would depend on house prices and remortgaging we are now considering making better use of the space we have.

We are not in a position to do it until next year, however our current plan is to remove the wall between the kitchen and the backroom/dining room. Have the kitchen fitted in the (larger) backroom with a small dining table and use the old kitchen as a sitting room / social space.

If we can later afford the side extension, we could then move the dining table up into the sitting room/ social space and have the the social space (more of a family room/area as it will bigger) round the side of the house. The rear and side will be open plan - but the office at the front/side of the house will be separate and accessed via the hallway near the front door.

We have a separate lounge like you. We intend to keep this as a separate room which we mainly use in the evenings.
 
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Make the worktop one piece, use the open space for a towel rail.
It'll definitely be a one piece work top (DIY Kitchens didn't like the funky wall kick out there). Picture at the bottom of this post to show how poor the space is for "essentials"/ stuff hidden in a cupboard.

Storage cupboard the whole height of the wall, assuming you don't mind losing the worktop.
I did think that but I don't have space for an integrated coffee maker - so whilst the space is "dead" it may be useful for the coffee machine and/or toaster to free up the other counter top.

Are you still putting in a new size window? Will need to get a steel in potentially if its very wide or at least a concrete lintel


For your q re doors why don't you just have pull out pan drawers for that section?


Also, why have you binned the "open plan" idea? Cost saving? Overall surely it would add more value to the house say you needed to refinance, and is what most people (myself included) would prefer. Obviously I don't know your finances/future plans, still planning an extension later?
Bottled it on all major jobs (wall down/window shape change). It's a re-focus on short-term goals (we'll be dinged £700/mo on mortgage come March/August next year).

I did consider a pull out bin but the space is just "unusable" because the door opens that way and blocks it; the door is generally open and due to fire/smoke alarm we wouldn't want to lose the door itself.

The longer term goal subject to putting a dent into the massive mortgage is either double story side return (probably 200k here), or a real kitchen extension like the neighbors. So in either instance the wall down became a neither here nor there solution.
We’re in a similar position to you.

We are hoping in the next 5years to do a side extension to extend the kitchen and make space for an office, however, as that would depend on house prices and remortgaging we are now considering making better use of the space we have.

We are not in a position to do it until next year, however our current plan is to remove the wall between the kitchen and the backroom/dining room. Have the kitchen fitted in the (larger) backroom with a small dining table and use the old kitchen as a sitting room / social space.

If we can later afford the side extension, we could then move the dining table up into the sitting room/ social space and have the the social space (more of a family room/area as it will bigger) round the side of the house. The rear and side will be open plan - but the office at the front/side of the house will be separate and accessed via the hallway near the front door.

We have a separate lounge like you. We intend to keep this as a separate room which we mainly use in the evenings.

Yeah the "post 5 year plan" is a substantial extension but really is dependent on funds; I think I need a lottery win as I can't stomach an even bigger mortgage TBH.


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Picture of the space IRL which highlights how the door typically "lives" and why the space is semi-useless for cupboards (unless long-term storage of gadgets that'll never get used :D).

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Oh I get you, something to stop your internal door hitting it. No idea then really.

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could you not just put a pan drawer for irregularly used items? E.g. Bread maker / toastie maker / ice cream maker/ similar appliances are then hidden.
 
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Oh I get you, something to stop your internal door hitting it. No idea then really.

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could you not just put a pan drawer for irregularly used items? E.g. Bread maker / toastie maker / ice cream maker/ similar appliances are then hidden.
Yeah ultimately that is probably what I'll end up doing. I do quite like the wicker basket idea for grabbing tea towels/dish clothes quickly and easily as they seem to disappear from sight frequently in this household :D

But perhaps a mega 700 unit makes more sense........the problem is this stupid door!
 
You may mock but I would put a pan drawer unit in that area specifically for the rarely used items.
Seems the perfect place to dump them.
Plus just a small normal cupboard as well and again just things you want to keep but do not use regularly.

Depending on what surface you are planning I suspect they would want to join the surface where the sticky out bit of wall is.
If your having quartz or something like that you can discuss and agree with the templater when they measure up.

The other option for the base units is to cut out the back of the cabinet and have it seemless across the bottom.
Looks like you could fit a 400 unit by the D/w with teh back cut out to fit round the 154 wall and then the 500 unit pushes up close to the wall for infill.
I had to do this with wall units due to pipework boxing in.
Its more work but may look a lot nicer.
 
Right! Finalised designs... I think this is it.

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So this ticks all the boxes...
* Sink tap will line up EXACTLY with the centre of the window
* Useless spot that is covered by the door is moderately less useless; the wicker baskets will house rags and whatever else
* The small gap can then house a 150mm pullout this; pretty useless but could house a few bottles of squash and/or booze
* Other side is 50mm from wall to allow fridge door to open left hand side hinge; which then gives 600mm for oven/micro unit and 5x500mm cupboards.

Not using their handles I don't think; comes in just shy of 4k including the sink.

Colour likely to be dark blue.
 
How are you going to hide your pipework boxing on the right hand side and gas pipe? Ideally want them hidden /plastered over. Presume measurements account for that/aren't impacted by that?

Overall looks good, but have to say I hate gold ironmongery. Currently in fashion but reminds me of old lady houses.
 
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How are you going to hide your pipework boxing on the right hand side and gas pipe? Ideally want them hidden /plastered over. Presume measurements account for that/aren't impacted by that?

Overall looks good, but have to say I hate gold ironmongery. Currently in fashion but reminds me of old lady houses.
I've got pipes left and right of the sink, so either box in uniformly .... Or get the plumber back to reroute to behind the future fridge freezer unit. Rip wallet on the latter....
 
For narrow kitchen like yours I would be tempted to go for much lighter colours to make it feel bigger. I feel with so many cabinets a dark blue could make the room feel very cramped.
 
For narrow kitchen like yours I would be tempted to go for much lighter colours to make it feel bigger. I feel with so many cabinets a dark blue could make the room feel very cramped.
Yeah it's a big consideration and a good point. I've got a massive Hue (1.3m?) Ceiling light which is sensor based and mimicks daylight which makes a real impact to quality of life in using that room, as daft as it sounds. Maybe I'm relying on that too much a total light grey look would be better.
 
Yeah it's a big consideration and a good point. I've got a massive Hue (1.3m?) Ceiling light which is sensor based and mimicks daylight which makes a real impact to quality of life in using that room, as daft as it sounds. Maybe I'm relying on that too much a total light grey look would be better.
We chose pebble grey, really nice colour and looks great with white or marbled worktops.
 
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