How long before this guy "disappears" or has an "accident"?
Covid: Top Chinese scientist says don’t rule out lab leak
The man who led China's pandemic response says inquiries into its origins should consider everything.www.bbc.co.uk
What a mess and most of the reasons put forward for not a lab leak aren't evidence at all and/or have no record of whether they actually happened or not.
At least when I last looked into it there was still the problem with the natural explanation of even the close matching known viruses, even those with high 90% matches, having an approx. 3 decade gap in natural progression without any known intermediary which is improbable though not impossible.
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I dunno a lot of it reads like they are intentionally muddying the waters - which reads to me like they have no idea if it was a lab leak or not but certain they don't want anyone to ever know either way.
After avoiding covid for all this time I finally got it last week. Started feeling rough on Friday (but testing negative), I've now tested positive for the last 5 days. Symptoms are a bit better now but I've got no energy reserves. Will be interesting to guess how many more days I'll be testing positive. I don't intend to return to the office until I both feel better and have tested negative for a few days.
I did discover the great catch-22. I'm not entitled to free NHS covid tests, and the NHS won't accept results from non-NHS tests. Guess thats one way to keep the numbers down !
I did discover the great catch-22. I'm not entitled to free NHS covid tests, and the NHS won't accept results from non-NHS tests. Guess thats one way to keep the numbers down !
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Yeah - I needed a sick note for work - initial response from doctor was a bit of a pithy one about how I'd not uploaded test results online - we were using the FlexFlow ones by that point, which aren't accepted on the site, due to not being able to get the NHS ones any more.
Pretty sure several of my colleagues have had COVID over the last week to 10 days or so, but writing it off as a cold and refusing to test, some coming into work when likely infectious which has resulted in other people getting it - fortunately it seems, so far, I've avoided whatever was going around as I was off for what was probably the worst 3 days for it and barely in contact with other staff for 1 day either side of that due to arriving as most staff were leaving or already gone. (Or possibly I still have some immunity from having it earlier in the year - though generally it seems limited in terms of working like that).
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Covid: Top Chinese scientist says don’t rule out lab leak
The man who led China's pandemic response says inquiries into its origins should consider everything.
What a mess and most of the reasons put forward for not a lab leak aren't evidence at all and/or have no record of whether they actually happened or not.
At least when I last looked into it there was still the problem with the natural explanation of even the close matching known viruses, even those with high 90% matches, having an approx. 3 decade gap in natural progression without any known intermediary which is improbable though not impossible.
Unless China can be convinced to cough up their data from their labs I'm not sure we'll ever no for sure one way or another.
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The other day, I felt unwell with the same thumping left temple headache I had in March 2020 and July 2022. Negative LFT
Lab leaks certainly do happen - we have had 2 significant ones in the UK in living memory.
After smallpox was successfully wiped out in the wild there was one more death - In the UK from a lab leak.
The 2007 foot-and-mouth outbreak in the UK was caused by..a lab leak.
If it can happen here then it certainly can happen other places too.
WHO related, rather than covid
Mental.
Many countries are currently putting laws through that will cede their future pandemic responses to the WHO.
What could possibly go wrong!
North Korea Wins Leading Role at World Health Organization - UN Watch
The North Korean regime, which starves its own people while spending billions on threatening the world with nuclear weapons, has been rewarded by being elected to a leading role in the World Health Organization (WHO). At the annual gathering of WHO member states, which ended on May 30, Kim Jong...
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Mental.
Many countries are currently putting laws through that will cede their future pandemic responses to the WHO.
What could possibly go wrong!
What?!?!WHO related, rather than covid
North Korea Wins Leading Role at World Health Organization - UN Watch
The North Korean regime, which starves its own people while spending billions on threatening the world with nuclear weapons, has been rewarded by being elected to a leading role in the World Health Organization (WHO). At the annual gathering of WHO member states, which ended on May 30, Kim Jong...unwatch.org
Mental.
Many countries are currently putting laws through that will cede their future pandemic responses to the WHO.
What could possibly go wrong!
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I only tested for the first time on day 5 of symptoms starting (sore throat that turned into a head cold, no coughing at all), I was was still positive a week later, another week later my test was negative in the valid time frame (but a very feint positive less than 30mins later).
My symptoms got worse in the second week, with chest/ribs/legs/arms/upper back discomfort and breathlesssness (especially while trying to carry things, moreso upstairs like food delivery trays)... Plus cronic fatigue.
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Front page of Daily Telegraph - lockdown in spring 2020 saved just 1700 lives when during the peak of deaths it was 11000 a week.
A study from John Hopkins University and Lund University
A study from John Hopkins University and Lund University
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my mate an anti lockdown antimasker sent me that this morning as a "I told you so"... however (i only looked briefly so may be wrong) isnt that from a year old study which was criticised for not being peer reviewed and questionable use of statistics?
my dad got covid on holiday, with him, my my mum and then me my wife and our lad, he is proper rotten... He started with it last Tuesday, insisted it was just a cold because no temperature (dont ask!!!!! you would think my parents would listen to me given I have a background working in genetics and my wife set up a covid tracking and sampling lab, but what ever........ He finally tested and was positive). i just hope my mum does not get it as she has COPD.... she says she is fine but after 6 hrs in a car with him on way home from holiday i will be surprised if she dodges it. The rest of us are all fine so far. fingers crossed a few more days and i will breathe a sigh of relief. i am not worried about it for myself... just the hassle of getting it. (I was negative yesterday still and feel fine and will test again Weds before going into the office - though i wont be fully in the clear till end of the week really)
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This is new meta study.
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Bet it wasn't even published by a medical body, never mind peer reviewed by a medical body, but rather by people/organisation with Covid denier bias.
UK bodies were piling high before and during the first lockdown (in part thanks to Hancock sending elderly hospital patients back into care homes with Covid), not to mention Boris "saving Xmas '20" to let UK bodies pile up even higher in early '21!
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lol there is that... however even a broken clock is right twice a day, and whilst every part of me is screaming "this is nonsence!!!" i wouldnt mind seeing the response from proper journals which are respected... however a quick pre work google only spat out the same claims - also from JHU - from last summer... and these claims were widely debunked.Daily Telegraph
if there is something new however i would be interested to read it - or at least an abridged version of it from somewhere more trustworthy than the Telegraph.
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balls my mum just tested positive. i expected as much but hoped she would get lucky. COPD and covid does not sound a winning combination to me. as it is she gets breathless just walking to the kitchen but she stubbornly refuses an oxygen cylinder even for emergencies.
Not something the naysayers will accept or want to see but ultimately it was about dealing with a novel virus which had shown a very real potential to be very bad - it was a lose lose situation really and not so much about the lives directly saved. My biggest criticism really is how slow we were responding to information, how little interest there was in carrying out high quality studies, etc. something which for some reason is often forgotten is that there was 2 variants from fairly early on in Wuhan and one of those was much nastier than the other - that variant was virtually extinct by late 2020 but we continued on reacting to it for nearly a year after that.
Going to be interesting to see how strong my antibodies are...
We've gone away on holiday - first time in almost four years due to the timing of the pandemic and how it related to my wife and I having kids, spending our money elsewhere, etc.
We flew to Kefalonia on Friday. The people in the row behind were sniffing and coughing constantly and I made a comment to my wife that I thought they might have it.
Three days later my wife, my four year old son and my eleven month old daughter have all tested positive. My son had a high temp yesterday and was wiped out in the evening but has largely been fine today. My daughter woke up this morning with a nasty temp and has been a bit unwell today. Thought I'd do a test before we went out for dinner... positive. Tested my son... positive. My wife did a test when we've got back from the meal out... positive.
All in all I hope it'll be a mild issue for them all - my wife had it 15 months back when pregnant and wasn't particularly unwell with it.
My question is whether I'll get it. I had it for the first confirmed time 2.5 months ago and tested positive for two weeks. We're all sharing one big bedroom so I wonder if my antibodies will hold out over the next few nights crammed in here.
We've gone away on holiday - first time in almost four years due to the timing of the pandemic and how it related to my wife and I having kids, spending our money elsewhere, etc.
We flew to Kefalonia on Friday. The people in the row behind were sniffing and coughing constantly and I made a comment to my wife that I thought they might have it.
Three days later my wife, my four year old son and my eleven month old daughter have all tested positive. My son had a high temp yesterday and was wiped out in the evening but has largely been fine today. My daughter woke up this morning with a nasty temp and has been a bit unwell today. Thought I'd do a test before we went out for dinner... positive. Tested my son... positive. My wife did a test when we've got back from the meal out... positive.
All in all I hope it'll be a mild issue for them all - my wife had it 15 months back when pregnant and wasn't particularly unwell with it.
My question is whether I'll get it. I had it for the first confirmed time 2.5 months ago and tested positive for two weeks. We're all sharing one big bedroom so I wonder if my antibodies will hold out over the next few nights crammed in here.