Chances of overturning driving ban?

You won’t get much sympathy on here I’m afraid, pretty ruthless lot on here with regards to traffic offences.

Is there a time line here to be considered? When would the first lot of points come off in relation to the toting up go below 12 points ? Maybe keep asking for a court adjourning to help out ?

I would suggest to find the money for a good solicitor though, courts find it contemptuous just by the fact you’re representing yourself.

Undoubtably she will get a ban regardless of any mitigation but the length of it could be in your hands.
 
Given the number of points and timeline involved I'm assuming at least one incident was classed as serious rather than all being minor offences.

Bald-Eagle22 said:
Is there a time line here to be considered? When would the first lot of points come off in relation to the toting up go below 12 points ? Maybe keep asking for a court adjourning to help out ?
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Don't think it'll work like that once a certain threshold has been triggered the points won't expire for that purpose.
 
ArcticHeron said:
Neither was I. My initial comments where in response to those claiming that they'd also knowingly exceeded the limit excessively but hadn't been caught. I was framing the 'bad luck' comment in reference to simply being caught out in these instances. At no point have I referred to her actual behavior or that of the car being down to 'bad luck'.
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A very good friend of mine got 15 points like your missus. We played in a band together and he got some of those points while I was in the car with him traveling to gigs; so traveling on lots of unfamiliar roads, which might lead one to think he was a bit unlucky. Sorry to say but he was overall just a silly and reckless driver!

I went to court with him on the day when he tried to appeal his ban. The funny thing is the court originally thought it was 12 but then added them up and realised it was 15.

He was a social worker at the time so needed to drive for work but still ended up getting a 6 month ban.

I suggest your missus' best chance of minimising the punishment is learning to cry and sob on demand or cutting onions just before going into court, as having plenty of cleavage on display can sometimes work against you.
 
Sounds like you should be taking the keys away from your Mrs before the courts do.
Also sounds like you should have had a stern and serious word with her a couple of years ago.

Understand you have a son and other considerations and concerns, that's not an acceptable excuse to be driving a vehicle outside of the acceptable boundaries.

I am not exactly a saint on the road and may push those boundaries myself, but to be caught by those camera's on a fairly regular basis just shows the level of attention, detail, memory is just not there.

Frankly after reading all of this, I would prefer your wife to not have a license based on their level of awareness.
 
Bald-Eagle22 said:
You won’t get much sympathy on here I’m afraid, pretty ruthless lot on here with regards to traffic offences.
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So everyone is supposed to be kind and forgiving of 15 points on a licence?! Get a grip, christ.

If it's ONE SP30, then yeh, very easy to do, and probably a noteable % of people here have, or have been caught, myself included. But multiple cases of speeding, nope.
 
Shadowness said:
So everyone is supposed to be kind and forgiving of 15 points on a licence?! Get a grip, christ.

If it's ONE SP30, then yeh, very easy to do, and probably a noteable % of people here have, or have been caught, myself included. But multiple cases of speeding, nope.
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Yeah, you really do have to be a bit silly and/or reckless to get 15 points, especially in this day and age where you have phone/car navigation apps that tell you where pretty much every speed camera is and also the speed limit of the road you are on. Once you've got 3 or 6 points then you treat that gas pedal like it's got herpes.

Also our speed cameras in the UK are painted bright yellow. I drive a lot in Latvia and their speed cameras are black and grey so are much harder to notice.
 
MartinPrince said:
Yeah, you really do have to be a bit silly and/or reckless to get 15 points, especially in this day and age where you have phone/car navigation apps that tell you where pretty much every speed camera is and also the speed limit of the road you are on. Once you've got 3 or 6 points then you treat that gas pedal like it's got herpes.

Also our speed cameras in the UK are painted bright yellow. I drive a lot in Latvia and their speed cameras are black and grey so are much harder to notice.
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It’s not fixed cameras that are the problem, it’s mobile and they can be incredibly sneaky.
 
Doobedoo said:
It’s not fixed cameras that are the problem, it’s mobile and they can be incredibly sneaky.
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Yes, I well know as my good mate got done years ago by a policeman hiding in the bushes with a speed gun! :) Though it is highly unlikely to get 15 points worth only by mobile cameras!

Also although the OP reports that his missus was done for 35 in a 30 and 24 in a 20, in my experience those figures supplied by the police are actually down on what is reported on your odometer. i.e. You were probably going faster than they say you were.

A few years ago when they first put lots of speed cameras on a very long stretch of road by me, the cameras were working but they hadn't put the lines on the road yet, so not fully operational. I took it upon myself to test at exactly which speed I triggered the cameras to go off. In the few months it took them to put down the lines I did this load of times. I found that I had to go ~13 mph above the speed limit to trigger the cameras.

So I suspect in the majority of these cases this lady was going way faster than she should have been and is in real need of a speed awareness course. ;) (Though I wouldn't be surprised if she's already done one!)
 
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Maybe but I’ve had more than 15 points over the years and not one of them was by a fixed camera.

One was just as I came off the M3 and joined the A303. I was doing 70 and off the side of the road, I spotted what I thought was a poor chap on a motorcycle that had broken down, it wasn’t until I was quite close I realised he was holding a camera.

My last one was on way back from Cornwall on the A30. I had the van set to 60mph and I did 60mph almost the whole way home, except when I reached the top of the hill and decided to let the van coast down the hill. Sat at the bottom tucked away in a lay-by was a van which clocked me at 74mph.

All of which completely my own fault but they now have vans that can clock you at a distance of 1km. These vans no longer need to be brightly dressed either, they can now be plain grey vans. Ultimately if you speed you can and will be caught.
 
Shadowness said:
So everyone is supposed to be kind and forgiving of 15 points on a licence?! Get a grip, christ.

If it's ONE SP30, then yeh, very easy to do, and probably a noteable % of people here have, or have been caught, myself included. But multiple cases of speeding, nope.
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Please don’t quote part of my post. Get a grip , christ.

I said she going to get a ban and deservedly so.
 
Doobedoo said:
Maybe but I’ve had more than 15 points over the years and not one of them was by a fixed camera.

One was just as I came off the M3 and joined the A303. I was doing 70 and off the side of the road, I spotted what I thought was a poor chap on a motorcycle that had broken down, it wasn’t until I was quite close I realised he was holding a camera.

My last one was on way back from Cornwall on the A30. I had the van set to 60mph and I did 60mph almost the whole way home, except when I reached the top of the hill and decided to let the van coast down the hill. Sat at the bottom tucked away in a lay-by was a van which clocked me at 74mph.

All of which completely my own fault but they now have vans that can clock you at a distance of 1km. These vans no longer need to be brightly dressed either, they can now be plain grey vans. Ultimately if you speed you can and will be caught.
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Yes, it sounds like you've been unlucky with mobile cameras though as you would be the first to say, "if you can't afford the fine don't do the crime" :)

In many decades of driving I've been fortunate to never had a speeding fine but I was "lucky". Very early on, not long after passing my test I was going on to the M6 and was doing 85mph and I saw behind me the flashing blue light and arrows telling me to pull over. The policeman gave me a bit of dressing down but let me off and just told me to slow down. That shock scared me straight and since that day, the only time that I've knowingly gone way over the speed limit was when my missus was in labour on our way to the hospital!
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
IMO anyone who gets this many points but pleads "my job" should only be allowed to drive for their job and no other reason.

Keeping licence in these conditions should come with the if your caught driving for anything than scheduled work here is your deferred jail time, x months.
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Leaving aside the fact it would be a nightmare / costly to enforce, I like the idea.

That said, I don't particularly like the "get out of jail free card" entitlement that comes with peoples work. Like if you have a job that requires a private vehicle then my view would be tough luck, lose your job if you lose your license? Some people don't even get the option of doing those jobs because they don't have a license to begin with, due to disability for example.

How about we all get jobs that require a car and then we can commit loads of driving offences and use the excuse of our job to avoid proper punishment?
 
HangTime said:
Leaving aside the fact it would be a nightmare / costly to enforce, I like the idea.

That said, I don't particularly like the "get out of jail free card" entitlement that comes with peoples work. Like if you have a job that requires a private vehicle then my view would be tough luck, lose your job if you lose your license? Some people don't even get the option of doing those jobs because they don't have a license to begin with, due to disability for example.

How about we all get jobs that require a car and then we can commit loads of driving offences and use the excuse of our job to avoid proper punishment?
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We are thinking the same here.

The penalty for being caught would need to be really bad. At the sort of level that 99% wouldn't want to risk it.

I suppose you could have it as an ANPR flag on any vehicle they were insured on. Company shared vehicles then become an issue of course.

Its never going to be perfect, just like taking someones licence away isn't perfect, since you hear of many that carry on driving anyway!

It was in the mirror (so come up on google) recently but these sorts of survey are done semi often.

I mean how can "But in Wakefield, there is also a driver with a massive 45 points on their licences." make sense.
Its clear this person must have some really significant responsibilites or something, so they are basically immune from having their licence removed!

www.mirror.co.uk

Britain's most dangerous drivers - areas with highest points on licences listed

Yorkshire has topped the list of areas in Great Britain where drivers have the most points on their licences - while perhaps understandably the Shetland Islands showed the least penalty points
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
 
Doobedoo said:
Maybe but I’ve had more than 15 points over the years and not one of them was by a fixed camera.

One was just as I came off the M3 and joined the A303. I was doing 70 and off the side of the road, I spotted what I thought was a poor chap on a motorcycle that had broken down, it wasn’t until I was quite close I realised he was holding a camera.

My last one was on way back from Cornwall on the A30. I had the van set to 60mph and I did 60mph almost the whole way home, except when I reached the top of the hill and decided to let the van coast down the hill. Sat at the bottom tucked away in a lay-by was a van which clocked me at 74mph.

All of which completely my own fault but they now have vans that can clock you at a distance of 1km. These vans no longer need to be brightly dressed either, they can now be plain grey vans. Ultimately if you speed you can and will be caught.
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A303 and A30 is a bit hit and miss on speeds - some forces along it are relatively relaxed (to just speed alone - but will throw the book at you for dangerous driving, etc.) and will fully give you 10% + 2 and even rarely pull anyone for less than 85 on the dual carriageway bits, others along the stretch will bend over backwards to get you for 1MPH over if they can :(

Personally though I'm a stickler for the speed limits in built up areas I think it fairly petty to do people for anything less than 10% + 2 at a minimum, especially on open roads, and the focus should be more on standards of driving in general.
 
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Rroff said:
A303 and A30 is a bit hit and miss on speeds - some forces along it are relatively relaxed (to just speed alone - but will throw the book at you for dangerous driving, etc.) and will fully give you 10% + 2 and even rarely pull anyone for less than 85 on the dual carriageway bits, others along the stretch will bend over backwards to get you for 1MPH over if they can :(

Personally though I'm a stickler for the speed limits in built up areas I think it fairly petty to do people for anything less than 10% + 2 at a minimum, especially on open roads, and the focus should be more on standards of driving in general.
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No it’s specific to vans and the change it speed limit that came in a few years ago.

It used to be 70mph on a dual carriage way for a van but that has been reduced to 60. On a single carriage nsl was 60 now it’s 50.

So you could be driving in a perfectly safe manner following the car in front of you but actually you are now speeding. It was a right pain in the backside because you would end up with no end of nobbers behind you, getting upset because you are actually doing the speed limit but they thought you were driving to slowly.

I don’t worry too much nowadays and just set the cruise control where I can.
 
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