Thoughts on Excessive Speed

squerble said:
I'd definitely argue against this. Once an EV gets above somewhere around 25-30mph (depending on car) then efficiency drops and keeps dropping, becoming a case of "the faster you go, the more inefficient it is". Speed limits will still be in place for emissions reasons because if you allow EVs higher speeds, they use a lot more energy, energy which is still created by burning a lot of stuff, and thus indirectly pollutes more.
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I see what you are saying but by that argument ALL speed limits on motorways need to be reduced....... the emissions limits are for local air quality reasons and as such an EV could be doing 150mph and it would not make a difference.
 
squerble said:
I'd definitely argue against this. Once an EV gets above somewhere around 25-30mph (depending on car) then efficiency drops and keeps dropping, becoming a case of "the faster you go, the more inefficient it is". Speed limits will still be in place for emissions reasons because if you allow EVs higher speeds, they use a lot more energy, energy which is still created by burning a lot of stuff, and thus indirectly pollutes more.
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Then why not limit all roads to 30mph? The speed limits I'm referring to are in place for local emissions - it says as much on the signs (and is why you only see them on sections of motorway which run through/past urban/suburban areas, rather than out in the middle of the countryside).

That's ignoring the fact that many EV drivers will be on some kind of green tariff (purely because those tend to be the ones with cheap time-of-use pricing).

To pre-empt the "EVs create more brake dust!!!1oneone" and "EVs cause more tyre wear!!11oneone" arguments, if you're using the brakes regularly on a free flowing motorway you're doing something wrong, and my EV doesn't weigh any more than most other SUVs.
 
Haggisman said:
Then why not limit all roads to 30mph? The speed limits I'm referring to are in place for local emissions - it says as much on the signs (and is why you only see them on sections of motorway which run through/past urban/suburban areas, rather than out in the middle of the countryside).
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they could introduce that urban Austrian idea where on high pollution days ev's are allowed to drive faster , or permanently give ev's such an incentive - that would really create a haves/ have not division.

France with pollution days has had odd/even number plates allowed on roads, so maybe there too - my commute was less than a mile though, so just walk.

e: air pollution current/historical map https://www.iqair.com/fr/uk/england/cambridge/cambridge-parker-street
 
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- if we are talking about lack of ev emissions at high speed versus ICE then why not legislate to allow ev's to go faster ,
I thought it had previously been discussed on here for UK, too, but couldn't find link.
 
The Austria idea was from 2018 as a warning and seems to have gained absolutely zero traction since. Why drive up energy consumption and make speed differences in uk motorways even more of a problem than they already are.

PS. So we are super clear, posting a link is not a thought.
 
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tonys said:
Enforcement of the law is also questionable. The use of banning drivers is laughable, if they are jailed, the ban is inforce while they are in prison they can be straight back on the roads when they get out. The ban should be implemented to come into force just before release. I know a lot don't take any notice of bans, as they also ignore insurance and mot's.
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This is exactly what happens. You can't get banned, and then serve your ban whilst in prison - the ban get's activated on your release.
 
Had a custom Transit van come flying up behind me on the way home from work, thought they were going to tailgate but they backed off to a reasonable distance but obviously wanted to be going faster, I was doing a good 60 in an NSL. Overtook me easily doing 100 first chance and were going around the corners on the next bit of road without really slowing before disappearing out of sight. Not a chance of stopping in time if there had been say a broken down vehicle just around those corners.

Not that it proves anything but had to laugh going to work got stuck most of the way behind someone driving at "economical" speeds and did 42MPG, coming home I wasn't hanging about but did 45MPG :cry: coming home is more uphill than down as well.
 
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Had an entitled merc driver undertake me yesterday on a dual carriage way because I wouldn't go into the left lane as there was slow traffic on both lanes(lorry overtaking another). They only managed too get two cars in front, it looked like they had to squeeze in, before the lorry pulled over and the lane got faster. Just goes to show the ones who need to lose their licence I think.
 
tonys said:
Had an entitled merc driver undertake me yesterday on a dual carriage way because I wouldn't go into the left lane as there was slow traffic on both lanes(lorry overtaking another). They only managed too get two cars in front, it looked like they had to squeeze in, before the lorry pulled over and the lane got faster. Just goes to show the ones who need to lose their licence I think.
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Sounds like they were overtaking on the left because everyone else was overtaking nothing in the right hand lane
 
tonys said:
Both lanes had slow vehicles, they just needed to wait a couple of minutes
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it is a difficult one and am not sure where the line is drawn (so not judging you at all to be clear)

but i do find i frustrating when on a DC or motorway when the slow lane is clear for 1/4 of a mile or more and there is a steady stream of traffic in the outer lane...... i used to just join the outer lane , and thus adding to the problem, however now i do tend to stay in the clear lane and travel at a steady speed.
am i in the wrong? i am not 100% sure to be honest at what point following the flow in congested traffic becomes "undertaking" illegally. I certainly dont do it for a few car lengths, or aggressively however.

1 thing i do know is that it would not be a problem if people only pulled out at all at the point where they were ready to overtake, and then pulled in again afterwards (again not aimed at tonys because once that queue has formed then you have a decision to make)
 
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The left lane had 2 lorries and a number of cars travelling at 60mph, there was a lorry in the left hand lane overtaking the first lorry slowly, thus causing the slow traffic. The merc behind me kept closing then dropping back as we drove along then they undertook me as the left lane had a large gap, accelerated passed 2 cars and then pulled into a gap on the right, a totally illegal manoeuvre.
 
I just noticed that the abbreviated version of this thread's title is TOES.

No idea what to do with this information, make of it what you will.
 
tonys said:
The left lane had 2 lorries and a number of cars travelling at 60mph, there was a lorry in the left hand lane overtaking the first lorry slowly, thus causing the slow traffic. The merc behind me kept closing then dropping back as we drove along then they undertook me as the left lane had a large gap, accelerated passed 2 cars and then pulled into a gap on the right, a totally illegal manoeuvre.
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"Undertaking" is not illegal.
I generally look at it this way, if someone can pass me on the left and move back into a space on the right without going well over the speed limit or weaving in and out of cars then I was in the wrong lane.

Situations like that are like people sitting in one lane for a merge in tern therefore causing an even bigger tale back.
 
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tom_e said:
"Undertaking" is not illegal.
I generally look at it this way, if someone can pass me on the left and move back into a space on the right without going well over the speed limit or weaving in and out of cars then I was in the wrong lane.

Situations like that are like people sitting in one lane for a merge in tern therefore causing an even bigger tale back.
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Passing on the left isn't illegal, but performing an "overtaking" manoeuvre on the left is a DO NOT in the highway code. If people are driving at reasonable speeds and reasonably to the highway code then I'd look poorly on someone passing on the left, but when people aren't making good headway within the legal speed limit and/or otherwise not driving reasonably it is fair game IMO. Far too many people take up a position in lane 2, etc. but never get going or just sit there, etc.
 
Ok, it isn't illegal but highly discouraged in the highway code. It is bad enough having people overtake on the right where you expect it but to have to put up with drivers who think they are so entitled to go against normal driving behaviour that they put more people in danger. Cutting in and out of traffic will annoy some drivers so that it may encourage road rage, same as those that will go as far as they can on a lane then push in just because they are in a rush.
 
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