Thoughts on Excessive Speed

[Rroff]

I have really mixed feelings about this - life isn't worth living without some freedoms including the freedom to do something totally stupid within reason but so many people have poor ability to foresee or care that something might just not be worth the risk or see the risk and/or care/comprehend how they might be being inconsiderate.

I've a friend who is insanely skilled at driving - observation, anticipation and car control is just on another level almost to the point you have to wonder if they can see the future - I've seen people with as good ability in one of those but never all 3 - it is kind of weird being a passenger with them as they are safer at silly speeds than most people at normal speeds, albeit unexpected mechanical failure, etc. at those speeds is another story.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I've a friend who is insanely skilled at driving - observation, anticipation and car control is just on another level almost to the point you have to wonder if they can see the futur

Aren't they called Racing Drivers but even those get involved in accidents with the public because of idiots.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Aren't they called Racing Drivers but even those get involved in accidents with the public because of idiots.

i am gonna call you on that.................
yes there are idiots BUT there is a minimum standard of driving required for our roads... this is far below that required of a racing driver (which is how it has to be or only the top few percent of people would be allowed to drive.

even if the most skilled race driver in the world, fully in control of their car............................ if they have a huge pile up at a top speed far north of the speed limit ........ even if it is because of a way less skilled driver then it is still likely to be the "race driver" at fault.
most people are not trained how to deal with cars on the road doing 3 figure numbers and so its wrong imo to blame them even if they do something which another highly skilled driver would consider stupid IF it was involving someone else driving in a way which they were never taught how to deal with.

not sure if i am wording myself very well.....

PS i say this as someone myself who considers the speed limit more of a guide than a limit!.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

i am gonna call you on that.................
yes there are idiots BUT there is a minimum standard of driving required for our roads... this is far below that required of a racing driver (which is how it has to be or only the top few percent of people would be allowed to drive.

even if the most skilled race driver in the world, fully in control of their car............................ if they have a huge pile up at a top speed far north of the speed limit ........ even if it is because of a way less skilled driver then it is still likely to be the "race driver" at fault.
most people are not trained how to deal with cars on the road doing 3 figure numbers and so its wrong imo to blame them even if they do something which another highly skilled driver would consider stupid IF it was involving someone else driving in a way which they were never taught how to deal with.

not sure if i am wording myself very well.....

PS i say this as someone myself who considers the speed limit more of a guide than a limit!.

Not arguing with any of that, I'm one of those drivers that doesn't feel safe above 80mph so I'll never go past that.
Yes I am naughty but not very very naughty.

 

[Removed User 345456]

Not arguing with any of that, I'm one of those drivers that doesn't feel safe above 80mph so I'll never go past that.
Yes I am naughty but not very very naughty.

Your onlyfans says otherwise bbz

 

[SimonRigga]

It's not impossible if you can literally see for a mile+ up a motorway that's lit up that there's no cars there and the person just wants to do a quick quarter mile pull at 3am, then they're not going to hit anyone are they if they can see for a mile, or even better if it's up or down a hill on a motorway you can literally see everything in the distance can't you.

The same can be said with sliding an industrial estate at 3am... No ones kids at going to spawn from anywhere in those places nor cars, and you would see their headlights/rear lights coming in the first place, especially with lorries...

The only issue I have with the ..

"I can do 150 as I can see for miles.. or this is a industrial estate, so no one is around.." arguments.. is the .. oh dear i've now crashed at 150mph.. or rolled on a roundabout..

The cost to taxpayers can be in the hundreds of thousands in emergency services and other services, repairs and closures to roads etc..

Not to mention the fact that now the Ambulance/fire crews/police etc.. who could have been helping other people who aren't idiots..

Yes you might be able to do it 50 times.. and nothing happens.. but it only takes once.. and you cause a lot of harm to society.. even if no actual loss of other life...

If you want to do 150, or skid around corners, then go to a track.. neither has any place on normal roads.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Your onlyfans says otherwise bbz

I was surprised there was a market for a 65 year old fat bald dwarf with a limp

 

[Removed User 345456]

The only issue I have with the ..

"I can do 150 as I can see for miles.. or this is a industrial estate, so no one is around.." arguments.. is the .. oh dear i've now crashed at 150mph.. or rolled on a roundabout..

The cost to taxpayers can be in the hundreds of thousands in emergency services and other services, repairs and closures to roads etc..

Not to mention the fact that now the Ambulance/fire crews/police etc.. who could have been helping other people who aren't idiots..

Yes you might be able to do it 50 times.. and nothing happens.. but it only takes once.. and you cause a lot of harm to society.. even if no actual loss of other life...

If you want to do 150, or skid around corners, then go to a track.. neither has any place on normal roads.

150 from doing a quarter of a mile pull? In what a 1000bhp skyline/rs6/your dreams? Then slowing down before the mile etc, I think not mate...

How would you roll a car drifting a 3 lane massive wide open spaced industrial roundabout at like 30-40mph? I suggest you go on a trackday with someone who can drive/do your research on that one.

That's not how drifting works, you just spin out/go backwards... If you hit something at a fair speed, sure but unless you're hydro handbraking in at 90mph entry speeds thinking your DK'san, that's not happening... Plus you simply would do it on a roundabout without an island ie just a flat square with a circle drawn on it, not rocket science really to find one... Anyone who can even mildly drift can do a roundabout mate.

People do it in underpowered junk like mx5's which are convertibles and they're don't roll it/crush themselves/die...

I also said nothing about skidding round a corner, merely a big open dead industrial estate where no ones family/kids are nor can they spawn out of thin air, nor do you wake anyone up.

Oh and fyi people that have driftcars usually build them themselves/maintain them well/pay a hell of a lot for a specialist to build them if not, so usually are caged too as a bonus and have way better brakes/bushings/suspension/safety gear like buckets/harnesses etc etc... So MUCH safer than a stock car, not that it'd matter doing a lap of a roundabout in a stock car mate.

 

[Removed User 345456]

I was surprised there was a market for a 65 year old fat bald dwarf with a limp

You only walk with a limp cause of achem...

 

[SimonRigga]

150 from doing a quarter of a mile pull? In what a 1000bhp skyline/rs6/your dreams? Then slowing down before the mile etc, I think not mate...

How would you roll a car drifting a 3 lane massive wide open spaced industrial roundabout at like 30-40mph? I suggest you go on a trackday with someone who can drive/do your research on that one.
That's not how drifting works, you just spin out/go backwards... If you hit something sure but unless you're hydro handbraking in at 90mph entry speeds thinking your DK'san, that's not happening... Anyone who can even mildly drift can do a roundabout mate.

People do it in underpowered junk like mx5's which are convertibles and they're don't roll it/crush themselves/die...

I also said nothing about skidding round a corner, merely a big open dead industrial estate where no ones family/kids are nor can they spawn out of thin air, nor do you wake anyone up.

Oh and fyi people that have driftcars usually build them themselves/maintain them well/pay a hell of a lot for a specialist to build them if not, so usually are caged too as a bonus and have way better brakes/bushings/suspension/safety gear like buckets/harnesses etc etc... So MUCH safer than a stock car, not that it'd matter doing a lap of a roundabout in a stock car mate.

No your right all people who think they can go as fast as they want on empty motorways or drift around roundabouts are very skilled drivers.. and have never had accidents.. you win!

 

[Hades]

Yep. No chance of putting it on its roof on a big wide open road.

Picture show car upside down following crash near Glasgow Airport

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “Around 6.30am on Monday, June 26, police were called to a report of a two-vehicle crash westbound on the…

www.the-gazette.co.uk

Oh wait...

 

[tom_e]

Yep. No chance of putting it on its roof on a big wide open road.

Picture show car upside down following crash near Glasgow Airport

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “Around 6.30am on Monday, June 26, police were called to a report of a two-vehicle crash westbound on the…

www.the-gazette.co.uk

Oh wait...

Every now and again I'm sure we all come across a car looking a bit worse for wear at the side of a nice straight easy to drive road and think "How on earth have they managed to stack it here!?".

 

[bigmike20vt]

its funny (not literally) but i often see crashed cars when out and about and .......... sometimes i cannot for the life of me work out how the hell they managed to do it - as in i would not know how to stack the car in that manner even if i actively tried.

perfectly straight roads with good vision etc.

edit..... ninjad by tom_e......

 

[Removed User 345456]

Yep. No chance of putting it on its roof on a big wide open road.

Picture show car upside down following crash near Glasgow Airport

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “Around 6.30am on Monday, June 26, police were called to a report of a two-vehicle crash westbound on the…

www.the-gazette.co.uk

Oh wait...

I was specifically talking about not hitting anything when drifting a roundabout that's flat with just a circle drawn on flat ground with no island, on a dead industrial estate in the middle of nowhere late at night...

And you're comparing a front wheel drive teenage chav in a fiesta trying to handbrake on flat ground to a rear wheel drive/fully built driftcar with a limited slip diff/locked diff drifting... Ignorance is bliss I guess!

I suggest you read next time... And maybe learn what drifting is.

I cba to reply to this sort of mentality anymore, it's the blind leading the blind. Unsubbed!

 

[Hades]

I specifically was talking about not hitting anything when drifting a roundabout that's flat with just a circle drawn on flat ground with no island, on a dead industrial estate in the middle of nowhere late at night...

And you're comparing a front wheel drive teenage chav in a fiesta trying to handbrake on flat ground to a rear wheel drive with a limited slip diff/locked diff/fully built for drifting... doing hmm drifting? OK DEN M9!

I suggest you read next time... And maybe learn what drifting is.

The picture was posted for comedy effect. But as you seem to have taken it a bit seriously...

I know exactly what drifting is. When I was a teenager in the early 80's I used to sit in the passenger seat while my brother drifted around mini roundabouts in his old Rover 2000. He tried to get into rallying, even bought a used rally car, but unfortunately couldn't get sponsorship. I didn't have the skills myself, but thanks to him I've been sideways more often than a crab.

It was stupid of him to try to drift mini roundabouts then but we both thought it was funny as immature teenagers at the time. It's even more stupid now with worse roads and more traffic on them. All it takes is a deeper than normal pot hole and the car is unpredictable. Or misjudge it and clip the kerb with a wheel, etc. No-one should be drifting or racing on public roads. I don't care what risks the driver puts themselves in but it is not acceptable to put other people at risk.

OK DEN M10?


EDIT: Pedestrians are never in unexpected places late at night.

Boy, 12, killed in hit-and-run on M62 in West Yorkshire

Before the fatal collision, police say they had reports of one car crashing on the slip road to Hartshead Moor services, as well as further information about two people walking across the M62.

news.sky.com

 

[jpaul]

Not arguing with any of that, I'm one of those drivers that doesn't feel safe above 80mph so I'll never go past that.

Apart from petrol disappearing fast, the 3 year old goodyear tyres I have with a bit of cracking in treads wouldn't give confidence for excess speed&heat
and when I look at the kerbing punishment you see some motorist inflict, they have little imagination on the consequences
...so - I think tyre blowout represents a big risk.

would be interested to know how frequently police traffic cars have theirs replaced just as a precaution.

 

[Orangeade]

Apart from petrol disappearing fast, the 3 year old goodyear tyres I have with a bit of cracking in treads wouldn't give confidence for excess speed&heat
and when I look at the kerbing punishment you see some motorist inflict, they have little imagination on the consequences
...so - I think tyre blowout represents a big risk.

would be interested to know how frequently police traffic cars have theirs replaced just as a precaution.

I would hazard they get replaced when they are running low or at a scheduled maintaince? How often do blow outs actually happen? I'm not advocating driving like a dick just because, but sometimes I do think people worry a little bit too much.

source: someone that likes to go full gun on the road to Munich occasionally.

 

[Rroff]

Someone left the road, hit a tree and their car burnt down near where I live - dunno exactly what happened but according to people on Facebook was a blowout at speed while cornering. (Though some people are also claiming the driver was forced off the road by someone overtaking badly the other way).

EDIT: Not sure if the post is publicly accessible https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6655893757806255

 

[tonys]

Let's be honest now, this country has a road network that is not fit for driving at the speed limit of either motorway, urban or rural. Couple that with drivers who have more distractions in the vehicle now, complacency, poor driving standards, more vehicles to contend with, even the lack of courtesy. All these and more affect us all and it's surprising that the accident rate isn't higher.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Someone left the road, hit a tree and their car burnt down near where I live - dunno exactly what happened but according to people on Facebook was a blowout at speed while cornering. (Though some people are also claiming the driver was forced off the road by someone overtaking badly the other way).

EDIT: Not sure if the post is publicly accessible https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6655893757806255

ouch.... did anyone get out alive before it set on fire?