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Who is at fault here?

  • ecksmen

  • The other driver

  • 50/50

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Who's at fault?
 
Were you indicating right?

I noticed there was a car at the lights at the start in the same lane as you but they were indicating right.

Not sure if you were in the wrong with no lane markings but if that was me I'd be indicating.
 
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You were not in the wrong lane. There are no lane markings so the left lane is not a dedicated turning lane. And the guy who hit you seemed to be going very fast - there's a 30 mph speed limit on roundabouts - but we'd need footage from your rear camera or mph data from your front camera to verify that.

To me it looks as if they are at fault.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Were you indicating right?

I noticed there was a car at the lights at the start in the same lane as you but they were indicating right.

Not sure if you were in the wrong with no lane markings but if that was me I'd be indicating.
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Even if he were....he was ahead and if you were in the black car and see someone indicating right there, you don't try to cut across them.
 
Good to see it was just a glancing hit, and not a full on T-bone. But no matter how small they are, they still shake you up inside.
I don't see you doing anything wrong, there is no signage that I see saying your lane is turning left, and the other driver has obviously not checked before crossing a lane.
The insurance companies will handle the blame side, and the footage provides all the evidence they need from your side. However, make sure you have your say, as they often try the easy route and settle with a "part blame" to each side.
 
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Even if he were....he was ahead and if you were in the black car and see someone indicating right there, you don't try to cut across them.
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Yeah but that's the thing, if he was indicating the driver of the black car may not have attempted to cut across him. I'm not saying it's a requirement for OP to have done so or that it means he'll be to blame, just an observation.
 
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but surely the responsibility of the car cutting across has to ensure that the lane is clear, and not to assume it is going to be clear?
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It could well be, like I said, I don't know who's legally in the wrong, just asking the question.

I think the driver of the black car could potentially have seen OP go from the right lane on entry to the roundabout to the left lane and then assumed that meant he was going straight ahead.
 
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Hmmmmmm.

Legally I don't know and that other driver should have looked (I would have) but and im sorry, but that wasn't particularly good driving on your part you should have been positioned in the right lane for going round, particularly as that was a two lane exit.

I'd go 50/50 but as I said legally no idea.

Edit: Showed this to the Mrs and also thinks you were also in the wrong lane.
 
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from an insurance point of view this is going to be you at fault, with a potential of split (with you taking lion's share of liability). There are two lanes one the roundabout, yes I am aware the lines stop, however this is because BOTH roundabout lanes can come off at that exit. The left lane will NEVER cut across a lane that is coming off.
 
Legally, no idea ... but you weren't indicating you were going right and the exit there is 2 lanes, so the one that hit you would be assuming you were coming off into the same road he was turning down. If I was going right there, I'd have been in the right hand lane.

Suspect it will end up as a 50/50.

www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk

Using the road - Roundabouts (184 to 190)

On approaching a roundabout take notice and act on all the information available to you, including traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings which direct you into the correct lane.
www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk
 
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It's a tough one. It's poor road design as there are no road markings what so ever. If it was clearly marked then it wouldn't be a problem. In this situation I'd say the left lane here should exit only and not continue round the roundabout. I think it'll be 50:50 as I'd say you were both in the wrong lane, however I'd say it's more 60:40 to you. If it was clearly marked it would be a different story.

For those commenting about indication - I don't think that plays any part in the decision.

EDIT: Changed my mind. I think you're at fault. You moved over to the left lane one exit too early. I think you should have waited until the next part of the roundabout to change lanes.
 
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I think both are at fault, but ultimately the road design is unsafe, a sign would go a long way.

I think most drivers would assume left lane turns left. So both of you broke that convention.

Both drivers could have avoided the accident.
You: by not moving into the left lane.
Them: by seeing your indicator and giving you space, or being in the left lane.

If ppl ever get in a crash, first job is to check everyone's ok, not to get ragey about who's fault it was. :(
 
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Looking at the google map, and the highway code, it looks like the OP took the left lane 1 junction too early, and this may have made the other driver 'think' that the OP was going to turn left.
However, I am still of the opinion it is up to the driver crossing from the inside to ensure their path is clear. I believe the other driver should have sight on the OP, avoided the collision and although an inconvenience gone around the roundabout once more.

Overall, and interesting discussion. Glad no one was hurt, and I hope the insurance peoples resolve it in your favour OP.
 
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