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Good luck with that - the only realistic proposition for Putin being forced out is probably NATO tanks rolling over the border :s (ignoring any potential nuclear response) or sanctions/blockade so severe nothing is getting in or out which would be an act of war itself.
 
ubersonic said:
Turns out Russia can't handle a counterattack on the ground or on Twitter xD

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Ouch.

Tank costs to Russian Taxpayers? T90M costs + Vladimir Added Tax

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Though I'm not sure whether they'd survive a mine any better, one of the reasons I've not liked the seeming use of these CR2s without any kind of additional armour package.
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Most tanks will survive most mines. The goal of mines (mostly) is to disable tracked vehicles and force a recovery.
 
The next person who advocates for "peace negotiations" just show them pictures of the aftermath from todays missile strike in Kostiantynivka. I didn't think there was anything left that could shock me from this war but the pictures floating around are awful. Somebody needs to start putting bullets into these Russian leaders ASAP and make them feel fear.
 
jigger said:
Most tanks will survive most mines. The goal of mines (mostly) is to disable tracked vehicles and force a recovery.
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I was meaning in terms of being able to shrug it off and continue fighting - theatre armour packages usually increase protection against kinetic weapons rather than mines.
 
In terms of mines though - even some time after these vehicle losses Russia seemed to have at least some free reign with artillery - for these kind of pushes Ukraine don't have the luxury of taking their time with mines, etc. which I find quite annoying - I don't know the composition in this situation but the direct artillery attachment to the 82nd is towed 105mm howitzers which are nice enough guns but not really suited to what they are doing - I don't really understand the setup when it is mostly geared around a kind of shock-troop but then supported by those guns. (Maybe someone has gone with the notion they are a lightweight weapon ideal for airborne use but that isn't really how the 82nd are operating).
 
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In some ways it seems like Russia want to try and pull in NATO, as they think they can 1) mobilize 2) Get China and others involved.
 
Scougar said:
In some ways it seems like Russia want to try and pull in NATO, as they think they can 1) mobilize 2) Get China and others involved.
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We'll get more clarity on that in the weeks and months ahead if that is their intention they'll need more than some relatively minor border incidents.

Personally think if there is some kind of incident involving NATO, and it isn't likely, it would be because Russia was pulling back from the war and wanted to sell it domestically as NATO aggression and Russia doing the responsible thing, etc. to save face - which is a potential eventuality which worries me as I think we are ill prepared for it and would likely be more costly than it needs to be for NATO, even if unlikely to happen.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The next person who advocates for "peace negotiations" just show them pictures of the aftermath from todays missile strike in Kostiantynivka. I didn't think there was anything left that could shock me from this war but the pictures floating around are awful. Somebody needs to start putting bullets into these Russian leaders ASAP and make them feel fear.
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There are no leaders in Russia. There's a single leader - Putin. How do you put bullets into someone who lives in a bunker and has 50K well paid personal security stuff?

Judging from previous removals of Russian leaders - Beria and Khrushchev - if the Russia's elites are really disappointed with their leader they can organize and remove him. So maybe if the West starts enforcing the sanctions better (e.g. in the last year Russia has imported aircraft parts worth 1.2B USD, despite the sanctions), put more of the Russia elites under personal sanctions (Navalny's anti-corruption fund has a list of thousands of Putin supports), supply Ukraine with better weapons, like ATACMS - than the russians themself can get rid of Putin.
 
I was thinking about rapid dragon again and then realised how ridiculously easy the concept would make nuclear first strikes, it's scary

If you didn't know, rapid dragon is a system that allows you to if you want, pre program a bunch of long range cruise missiles with targets, then pack them into these deploying crates and put them on a cargo plane, fly over the target and release the kraken. The concept allows a large cargo plane to carry 50 long range JASM missiles in the crates. So if someone wants to get in an early first strike, you take a commercial plane like a DHL branded cargo plane, stack it with these crates, add nuclear warheads to the missiles, then just fly your cargo plane on a pre approved flight over enemy territory because they think it's just a DHL plane coming to drop off cargo and instead you drop 50 nuclear armed missiles from the sky, let's say you sent 10 cargo planes and you've just dropped 500 nukes from the sky all now flying and within a couple minutes from their targets
 
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Grim5 said:
I was thinking about rapid dragon again and then realised how ridiculously easy the concept would make nuclear first strikes, it's scary

If you didn't know, rapid dragon is a system that allows you to if you want, pre program a bunch of long range cruise missiles with targets, then pack them into these deploying crates and put them on a cargo plane, fly over the target and release the kraken. The concept allows a large cargo plane to carry 50 long range JASM missiles in the crates. So if someone wants to get in an early first strike, you take a commercial plane like a DHL branded cargo plane, stack it with these crates, add nuclear warheads to the missiles, then just fly your cargo plane on a pre approved flight over enemy territory because they think it's just a DHL plane coming to drop off cargo and instead you drop 50 nuclear armed missiles from the sky, let's say you sent 10 cargo planes and you've just dropped 500 nukes from the sky all now flying and within a couple minutes from their targets
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As someone mentioned earlier in the thread Rapid Dragon is designed around transport planes with a ramp, of which there are more limited variants in civilian use (and most of those are operated by companies which are just a front for the US DOD or CIA anyhow or a small number of civilian use Lockheed LM-100J). But there are ways commercial aircraft could be used in such a manner if someone was determined to do it and something I've always thought concerningly easy on paper to do especially if a nation state was behind it.
 
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