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I realise this might sound like shooting the messenger so apologies up front for that, however where is this shared that's not a meme?

Is orders of magnitude 0.01% instead of 0.002%? Or is it as claimed over 1 million people in the UK alone (I think the claim was hospitalised).

Is adverse side effects feeling rough the day after (yeah we all got that) or is it a heart attack?
Enjoy! Can be quite maths heavy in terms of the statistics/probablities, but you should get the jist:


The real world assessment in the 2nd half uses the the Pfizer safety trial data and references the CDC norms for vaccine safety as a comparison, so we're not talking about self reporting data from people who took the vaccine, but from people who took part in a double blind trial, so it's actually failry roubst even ignoring that Pfizer still haven't released the full raw data.
 
Enjoy! Can be quite maths heavy in terms of the statistics/probablities, but you should get the jist:


The real world assessment in the 2nd half uses the the Pfizer safety trial data and references the CDC norms for vaccine safety as a comparison, so we're not talking about self reporting data from people who took the vaccine, but from people who took part in a double blind trial, so it's actually failry roubst even ignoring that Pfizer still haven't released the full raw data.

Can we do any better than a YouTube video for once? I mean who the hell even is that?

Back in the day we used to chuckle at “public access” TV with Mr Clive James but now it’s everywhere.
 
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Can we do any better than a YouTube video for once? I mean who the hell even is that?

Back in the day we used to chuckle at “public access” TV with Mr Clive James but now it’s everywhere.
Prof Norman Fenton is an expert in statistics, probability and it's application to health data from Queen Mary University London :)
 
Prof Norman Fenton is an expert in statistics, probability and it's application to health data from Queen Mary University London :)

Ok, but why is this just on youtube and not formally published? I know, I’m being difficult but youtube is the place to watch travel vlogs and dashcam videos for me, not actual news. Is there a reason it’s only on youtube?
 
Ok, but why is this just on youtube and not formally published? I know, I’m being difficult but youtube is the place to watch travel vlogs and dashcam videos for me, not actual news. Is there a reason it’s only on youtube?
It's not possible to publish peer reviewed research on the Pfizer safety data, they've never made it available oddly enough themself for peer review :eek::cry:

Edit: and just to show the real world consequence, since it's topical, German regulators the past week admitted they've not evaluated their vaccine safety reports, because there's just too many of them.

(Original German langauge report - https://apollo-news.net/corona-unte...nkompetenz-von-rki-und-paul-ehrlich-institut/)
 
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It's not possible to publish peer reviewed research on the Pfizer safety data, they've never made it available oddly enough themself for peer review :eek::cry:

Edit: and just to show the real world consequence, since it's topical, German regulators the past week admitted they've not evaluated their vaccine safety reports, because there's just too many of them.

(Original German langauge report - https://apollo-news.net/corona-unte...nkompetenz-von-rki-und-paul-ehrlich-institut/)

I took the time to click that link, I didn’t get a screenshot but did you see the message that pops up when you scroll down? Edit got it. This is why this is harder to believe.

No need for the screenshot, linked below.
 
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I took the time to click that link, I didn’t get a screenshot but did you see the message that pops up when you scroll down? Edit got it. This is why this is harder to believe.
Huh?

Anyway, you remember the Office for National Statistics (ONS) would claim that the stats supported vaccine safety and prevented Covid deaths?

They're not allowed to do that anymore due to the work Prof Fenton did to show their statistics were hopelessly inaccurate.

If you care to find out more, you can watch this review of the ONS death data here:

Due to his and others work at Queen Mary University (referenced in the video), the UK Statistics Regulator intervened and instructed the ONS that they could no longer make those statements based on the collected data as it didn't support their position.
 
Check my edit for the link to the screenshot from your quoted site. It looks a bit nuts. It says:

”eugyppius: a plague chronicle
We are witnessing an unprecedented, comprehensive failure of policy, medicine and science. The world will never be the same.”


Like I said the sources are all a bit whack.

The other big article on there is:


Is there a pattern here?


Maybe?


Yeah so call me cynical and that if you like :D
 
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Check my edit for the link to the screenshot from your quoted site. It looks a bit nuts. It says:

”eugyppius: a plague chronicle
We are witnessing an unprecedented, comprehensive failure of policy, medicine and science. The world will never be the same.”


Like I said the sources are all a bit whack.
Fair enough, if you think everything is normal that's ok.

Edit:
Last one from me:

Researchers finding that perhaps as many as 50% of recipients of mRNA vaccines are continuing to produce spike proteins long after the lipid particles are gone from the body :eek: :(
 
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That's fine and all, but pushing personal anecdotes in favour of the overwhelming evidence is where things get sketchy.
No single point was pushed in favour of another in my post. I have seen both sides. I take exception when people scream covid denier and antivaxxer on a whim. Covid has killed many many people and the covid vaccines have killed some people. That's a fact, nothing sketchy at all.
 
Sorry you’ll have missed my edit above. Do all those article seem normal to you?
Do you want to instead question the original source?

Keller-Stanislawski… reported her institute was massively overwhelmed, causing substantial delays in the evaluation of vaccine side-effects that persist until this day. For example, she said, data from the ‘SafeVac’ app released by PEI in December 2020 have yet to be analysed. The app was developed by PEI to allow easy reporting of adverse events. … They have received so many reports that they overwhelmed the technical infrastructure supporting the app. Data from 700,000 participants remain unprocessed …
Additionally, PEI staff were dramatically overworked. “There were people who only dealt with deaths and people who only dealt with myocarditis,” Keller-Stanislawski said. “We had much more work than before, all because of this vaccine. We had to get help from other departments because we didn’t have enough people to handle the adverse events.”
According to Keller-Stanislawski, data from the Association of Statutory Health Insurance and from insurance companies also remain to be evaluated. Although the RKI has developed a program that can process the insurance data, it requires further adjustments, which have yet to be carried out. The insurance data include, for example, doctors’ diagnoses in connection with Covid vaccination that could shed light on vaccine side-effects. In other words… the PEI, whose task it is to investigate the safety of Covid vaccines, has published all its reviews on adverse events so far on only on the basis of self-initiated reports from physicians and affected patients.

The questioning of… Lothar Wieler… revealed, among other things, that the RKI has not proven on the basis of its own studies the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine. According to Wieler, such a study has been conducted, but it is still being evaluated. … Only shortly before, Wieler had told the committee that monitoring the effectiveness of vaccination was among the central tasks of the RKI.
That last point is supported by research

in addition to the findings with the ONS data I mentioned in my previous post.
 
Do you want to instead question the original source?





That last point is supported by research

in addition to the findings with the ONS data I mentioned in my previous post.


Firstly, you’re getting 10pm Friday me, so apologies for that.

So is this saying that millions now have heart problems because of the vaccination? I’ll be honest I’m going on a little research, I’m not a doctor and I’ve got a full time job so when those sorts of claims are made that’s all I have to go on.

Also analysis of the “vaccine concerned” themselves, there just don’t seem to be any of them prepared to stand up for it. Except Andrew Bridgen, Right Said Fred and that nurse guy. Maybe, the thing to move this forward is to get some credible persons to state this instead?
 
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Do you want to instead question the original source?
That last point is supported by research

in addition to the findings with the ONS data I mentioned in my previous post.

Well obviously there is no point at all in having covid enquiries for at least another twenty years, the statisticians cannot agree the data.

Such a load of actual horse manure I have never witnessed. The vaccines worked, millions did not die. Hospitals and health systems were not overcome where mass vaccination was an option.
 
Firstly, you’re getting 10pm Friday me, so apologies for that.

So is this saying that millions now have heart problems because of the vaccination? I’ll be honest I’m going on a little research, I’m not a doctor and I’ve got a full time job so when those sorts of claims are made that’s all I have to go on.

Also analysis of the “vaccine concerned” themselves, there just don’t seem to be any of them prepared to stand up for it. Except Andrew Bridgen, Right Said Fred and that nurse guy. Maybe, the thing to move this forward is to get some credible persons to state this instead?
Maybe because everyone gets branded a whacko :p

Anyway, you taking your Statins yet?
 
Maybe because everyone gets branded a whacko :p

Anyway, you taking your Statins yet?

Nope I don’t take anything, although to be fair there is likely to be a couple of ibuprofen tomorrow morning :D

As for “everyone” I don’t think that’s right. The ones I mentioned do and to be fair….well none of them are doctors.

On a totally different point, good debate and very civilised so thank you.
 
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Nope I don’t take anything, although to be fair there is likely to be a couple of ibuprofen tomorrow morning :D

As for “everyone” I don’t think that’s right. The ones I mentioned do and to be fair….well none of them are doctors.

On a totally different point, good debate and very civilised so thank you.
It's the health date staticians that are the ones you need to listen too ;)
 
It's the health date staticians that are the ones you need to listen too ;)

Sure just not on entertainment vehicle youtube or that weird site you posted. If the assertion that a million now have heart problems (even if not hospitalised as was claimed) in this country alone directly because of coronavirus vaccinations surely there would be some provable, visible signs of this. I’m am quite happy that probably half the people that had it felt a bit crook the day after because I certainly did.
 
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