Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Grim5 said:
I assume the hull is not a single solid piece of metal but instead made up of joined plates, so I guess to replace the damaged sections would required partially taking the submarine apart and rebuilding it with new sections.. it sounds like a lot of expensive work
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I think that submarine is very much toast. The secondary blast within a sealed tube would be devastating.
 
I know the Black Sea fleet had a submarine as part of it's force, I wonder if that was it? If so NATO could impose it's will on the black sea if it wished to allow grain shipments through (although just the risk of that happening and the lose of face and Russian presteige for Putin that would bring would likely means he would allow shipments to resume).
 
Roar87 said:
About a Submarine?

I'm thinking about the bigger picture really, the long term strategic ramifications of this war which will persist for decades afterwards and how it'll shape our future, the possibility of a divided world, how future conflicts could arise from this, disappointed in our global leaders inability to find peaceful solutions. You're cheering about a Submarine where as I'm thinking how many soldiers will be dead this week from brutal fighting, murdered in horrific ways that you won't see or hear about. I wish I had your brain then I could just wave my flag and cheer about a Submarine.
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Your idol putin could save all those lives by simply withdrawing his forces.
 
CaneyJ said:
Assuming 10 Storm-shadows got used (of which 8 got through), thats about 30 million cost to make them.

Set that against around a Billion combined cost of the sub and landing ship I'd call that a decent return of taxpayer investment!
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The others may not be storm shadows but other missiles which are deliberately easier to lock on to, as decoys. That would allow the storm shadows to have a higher chance of getting through.

I have to say, these storm shadows do seem to be very effective.
 
XPE said:
People have thought for decades that Russian air defence was some of the best in the world. I am guessing this has put some doubts into that. :eek:

If they have also got the sub, what a hell of a message to send when Putin is meeting with Kim
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Tom Clancy Red Storm Rising, he says that if the makers claims for SAM missiles were true, no aircraft would fly after day 2 in a european war....
 
Roar87 said:
About a Submarine?

I'm thinking about the bigger picture really, the long term strategic ramifications of this war which will persist for decades afterwards and how it'll shape our future, the possibility of a divided world, how future conflicts could arise from this, disappointed in our global leaders inability to find peaceful solutions. You're cheering about a Submarine where as I'm thinking how many soldiers will be dead this week from brutal fighting, murdered in horrific ways that you won't see or hear about. I wish I had your brain then I could just wave my flag and cheer about a Submarine.
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If Putin gains anything from this invasion, the "long term" ramifications will be far worse than the dead you claim to mourn today.

All the death and distruction we are seeing now is a direct result of the "peaceful soulution" to his Crimea invasion.
 
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Roar87 said:
About a Submarine?

I'm thinking about the bigger picture really, the long term strategic ramifications of this war which will persist for decades afterwards and how it'll shape our future, the possibility of a divided world, how future conflicts could arise from this, disappointed in our global leaders inability to find peaceful solutions. You're cheering about a Submarine where as I'm thinking how many soldiers will be dead this week from brutal fighting, murdered in horrific ways that you won't see or hear about. I wish I had your brain then I could just wave my flag and cheer about a Submarine.
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Your bigger picture involve some Star Trek type universe where it`s all happy families and hugs. Even Star Trek Utopia has battle lines drawn, so lets move onto another sci-fi Utopia of the Culture series.... Yep even they are wary of War and try to prevent it but it happens.

Wake up, the world is full of bullies who want nothing more than to keep you down trodden and do it their way. The west itself is down trodden and kept down by the political systems our political system is a damm site better than North Korea, Russia or China for that matter.
 
Hades said:
I was at DSEI today (defence show in Docklands) and the real theme seemed to be drones. Air drones, sea drones, land drones. They were everywhere in all shapes and sizes. It does feel like it is the verge of a shift in how warfare is conducted.
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The Paris Olympics organisers probably have a dedicated team looking at this risk.

A recent Economist had a fairly detailed explanation of how the grenade dropping mechanism worked.
 
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With regards to last nights attack on Sevastopol, assuming Storm Shadows were used they would have had to be air launched. Anything launched from the captured oil platforms would have only been drones shurely ?
 
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