Net zero could push energy bills up by £120 a year

mrk said:
As I was reading the thread title I was watching the new Cool Worlds video, and Dr Kipping AT THAT EXACT MOMENT that I was reading the title and read "net zero", Kipping spoke out "to reach net zero".

I think this video was meant for this thread, so here it is.

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I didn't watch all the video.

Yes, he is right about trees. They are not the answer at all. Humans are, again, looking for a pill that doesn't need them to change their lifestyle. It's not going to happen.

FoxEye said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Rishi Sunak considers weakening key green policies

Plans could include delaying a ban on sales of new petrol cars and the phasing out of gas boilers.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Good to see the UK flip-flopping and taking aim at its own feet.

Would the last person to choke to death on smog, burn to death in a heatwave, or get drowned in a flood, please turn out the lights.
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This government has consistently refused to face up to the people and the right of the party and do what needs to be done. What do they care? They know they will just hand an impossible problem on to the Labour Party at the next election. Win win.

In fairness to all politicians, the people just refuse to accept reality. But maybe that's because the politicians are afraid to sell that to them.
 
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Sounds like domebody has just had a large contribution from the oil industry :cry: . If this government had any spine, they would have mandated solar panels and heat pumps on all new properties to lessen our reliance on gas. I know new builds have to have a charger for a car (although not sure how that works if there's no drive or off road parking next to the house).
 
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Flipflop uturn!

I have no idea what I am going to do with that extra £120 a year! Maybe it will just bring my personal inflation rate down by 0.001%
 
Sunak can push back the petrol ban as much as he likes, but manufacturers are already deep in the transition to EV and have already, or will be about to be, geared all their manufacturing towards EVs. Most have already got timelines of selling no ICE cars from way before 2030. They will not change that for a corrupt, verge-of-bankrupt nation like us :)
 
squerble said:
Sunak can push back the petrol ban as much as he likes, but manufacturers are already deep in the transition to EV and have already, or will be about to be, geared all their manufacturing towards EVs. Most have already got timelines of selling no ICE cars from way before 2030. They will not change that for a corrupt, verge-of-bankrupt nation like us :)
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Only the small companies. Toyota and VAG for example are still thick into ICE as is the commercial market which is massive in itself. Most of the companies that are commited to stop selling ICE are your smaller companies like Volvo and Jag.

I think it is a good thing. We need to focus getting the economy going again as we risk falling behind a lot of developed countries. UK is already the greenest country in the west of any big size. Let the other countries catch up before we have to delve deeper. By the time other countries have caught up EV tech and things like heat pumps will be a lot cheaper, reliable and actually viable to the mass market.

Our current way of capitalism and consumerism will kill us all long before getting carbon neutral will help. You either go all in or do not bother at all.
 
More evs quicker the better.

Now second hand ones will come on the market. Can't justify a new one. But without a flood of them second hand prices won't come down.
squerble said:
Sunak can push back the petrol ban as much as he likes, but manufacturers are already deep in the transition to EV and have already, or will be about to be, geared all their manufacturing towards EVs. Most have already got timelines of selling no ICE cars from way before 2030. They will not change that for a corrupt, verge-of-bankrupt nation like us :)
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The banning of new petrol/diesel cars was never going to happen to that timeline. Some European countries are also backing away from that now and several manufacturers are also starting to push back against it. There isn't the infrastructure or the demand for EVs to do this. It's been the completely wrong approach from the start anyway. EVs should have a place alongside ICE not replace them completely.
 
XeNoN89 said:
The banning of new petrol/diesel cars was never going to happen to that timeline. Some European countries are also backing away from that now and several manufacturers are also starting to push back against it. There isn't the infrastructure or the demand for EVs to do this. It's been the completely wrong approach from the start anyway. EVs should have a place alongside ICE not replace them completely.
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EV's will end up as this decades HDDVD, 00's minidisc or the 80's laserdisc.
 
adam cool dude said:
EV's will end up as this decades HDDVD, 00's minidisc or the 80's laserdisc.
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XeNoN89 said:
The banning of new petrol/diesel cars was never going to happen to that timeline. Some European countries are also backing away from that now and several manufacturers are also starting to push back against it. There isn't the infrastructure or the demand for EVs to do this. It's been the completely wrong approach from the start anyway. EVs should have a place alongside ICE not replace them completely.
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So we can just carry on indefinitely with ICEs and keep choking on their emissions. Because change is hard.
 
EV's are the future.
Look at home of the Chinese ones coming in. They are so cheap.
Its improving all the time. Really.. Its come along way very quickly.

Like apple and the iPhone. There was a lot. Of resistance. And Nokia got caught napping.

There will be resistance. But once we get out of the beta tester period I suspect they will take off.

Harder for people without drives at the moment.
 
FoxEye said:
No, I'm waiting for (a) charging infrastructure where I live and (b) EV prices to become affordable.

Neither of those will happen if we give up on EVs.
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Well, Im sure things will look a lot better on that front by 2035...
 
squerble said:
Sunak can push back the petrol ban as much as he likes, but manufacturers are already deep in the transition to EV and have already, or will be about to be, geared all their manufacturing towards EVs. Most have already got timelines of selling no ICE cars from way before 2030. They will not change that for a corrupt, verge-of-bankrupt nation like us :)
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Manufacturers will build whatever they can sell. They have geared up for No ICE 2030 because governments and lobbyists have told them it’s happening.

I expect that those who can afford to, will move towards PHEVs and EVs. Those that can’t will run their ICE vehicles for as long as they can get spares unless their government tries to ban them. Good luck telling millions of people that are just keeping their heads above water that they all have to buy €25k EVs.
 
The EV argument is distorted in the UK, people see it as a done deal, but it isn't globally - it is happening but in a much more marginal way. Petrols will still be sold by many manufacturers past 2050 for markets that still demand them, and don't have the electrical infrastructure. In some ways the EU and UK is a bit of an outlier in reality.

It is a first world solution currently. That will change, but Sunak pushing the date back wont effect anything, the development of EV's, or the ongoing availability of petrol for decades to come in other regions of the world.
 
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martin363 said:
The EV argument is distorted in the UK, people see it as a done deal, but it isn't globally.
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Unlike some green issues, who cares what other countries do when it comes to EVs? EVs deliver cleaner air in our cities and offer the chance of greater energy independence. It’s a no-brainer even if other countries don’t follow.
 
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