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Antony being back does not please me in the slightest, he's awful
Less of the smack talk, please.

Martinez out for a few months. Reguilon out injured now too. So we're back down to one fit full back. The guy we brought in as emergency cover for our 2 left backs being injured is now injured too. Fate is absolutely ******* us right now.
Long way to go to catch up with Arsenal ~2006 who were down to their 8th choice LB at one point :)
edit: memory fail, it was 9th choice: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/arsenal-rant.17536918/post-6471692
 
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Antony is far better than Pellistri. I like the young lad but he's very raw and let's himself get bullied around, needs to develop still. I'll be happy to have Antony back in the squad.
 
Antony is far better than Pellistri. I like the young lad but he's very raw and let's himself get bullied around, needs to develop still. I'll be happy to have Antony back in the squad.

I don’t see that at all. Antony is a one trick pony, which granted, is a pretty impressive trick when it actually works the one out of a hundred attempts. But he can’t take on players, his crossing or any form of passing is abysmal and he’s just generally far too wasteful.

I’d happily take a raw Pellistri over Antony any day
 
I don’t see that at all. Antony is a one trick pony, which granted, is a pretty impressive trick when it actually works the one out of a hundred attempts. But he can’t take on players, his crossing or any form of passing is abysmal and he’s just generally far too wasteful.

I’d happily take a raw Pellistri over Antony any day
So would I. I think Pellistri has done ok. He does need a bit more physicality but he works hard and offer a direct.
To be honest I'd play all the youngsters. The experienced pro's are well short of what is required and I'm losing patience with the manager also. Either he is not coaching well or the players aren't following instructions. If the latter then he needs the balls to drop some big names. Into his second season and we still have no recognizable pattern of play or any progress against teams who come to defend.
Abject
 
How Hannibal didn't start or get on the pitch yesterday is shocking for how well he performed recently.

His energy was missed he been in form so play him, ultimately we have no idea in the final third Bruno and Rashford need to be dropped.
 
I’ve been a believer in ETH even though he has made some dubious signings, but his substitutions have been bizarreto say the least.
I think Maguire came on to give Varane some rest, probably anticipated more extra time than there actually was in the end.
 
How Hannibal didn't start or get on the pitch yesterday is shocking for how well he performed recently.

His energy was missed he been in form so play him, ultimately we have no idea in the final third Bruno and Rashford need to be dropped.
This is symptomatic of the corner that the manager has painted himself into.
1. Making Bruno captain means that he is basically undroppable if he's fit
2. Signing Mount for £55m places pressure on him to play
3. Falling out with one superstar player gives him a challenge to keep the dressing room harmonious and that makes it harder to drop big names even if they aren't performing eg Rashford

All of this is part of normal "management" and its easy when you are winning but not so when you are losing and stinking the place out with the same old stodgy United performances that we have seen for 10 years. Young players also need protecting and in a sense it's not fair to expect too much from them when the experienced and highly paid squad members are letting the club down with consistent mediocrity. So, its a no win situation at the moment. I suspect EtH is hoping for a run of games where he can field a stable team, ideally with a genuine left back, Amrabat and Casemiro in CM. Even if he is able to do that there is still the gordian knot of a problem that is the front three. You have to say that we look better with Garnacho on the left but he wont drop Rashford, Antony is just a bad signing, Pellistri is a bit short physically and experience wise, Sancho is sulking and playing Mount at outside right seems odd.

What he probably needs is an early exit from the CL, lose to Newcastle in the Carabao and draw City in the 3rd round of the FA Cup. That way he can focus on developing a style of football that is worthy of the club and the players buy into. It's very hard to play your way out of a funk at a club like United and if we as fans are honest, we know there is an inherent weakness that until resolved will result in patchy form, the odd hammering from a top 6 club and the odd flattering win. It's what we are and until the Glazers **** off ten Hag just has to manage better.
 
This is symptomatic of the corner that the manager has painted himself into.
1. Making Bruno captain means that he is basically undroppable if he's fit
2. Signing Mount for £55m places pressure on him to play
3. Falling out with one superstar player gives him a challenge to keep the dressing room harmonious and that makes it harder to drop big names even if they aren't performing eg Rashford

All of this is part of normal "management" and its easy when you are winning but not so when you are losing and stinking the place out with the same old stodgy United performances that we have seen for 10 years. Young players also need protecting and in a sense it's not fair to expect too much from them when the experienced and highly paid squad members are letting the club down with consistent mediocrity. So, its a no win situation at the moment. I suspect EtH is hoping for a run of games where he can field a stable team, ideally with a genuine left back, Amrabat and Casemiro in CM. Even if he is able to do that there is still the gordian knot of a problem that is the front three. You have to say that we look better with Garnacho on the left but he wont drop Rashford, Antony is just a bad signing, Pellistri is a bit short physically and experience wise, Sancho is sulking and playing Mount at outside right seems odd.

What he probably needs is an early exit from the CL, lose to Newcastle in the Carabao and draw City in the 3rd round of the FA Cup. That way he can focus on developing a style of football that is worthy of the club and the players buy into. It's very hard to play your way out of a funk at a club like United and if we as fans are honest, we know there is an inherent weakness that until resolved will result in patchy form, the odd hammering from a top 6 club and the odd flattering win. It's what we are and until the Glazers **** off ten Hag just has to manage better.

Nicely summarised some of the key points for me (injuries aside) and with a little less of my emotions on Rashford who i'm losing all sorts of perspective with. He's not good enough, he never will be, we've contracted ourselves into a corner and with his image value to the club too. I think ETH is personally just waiting for the opportunity to be able to phase him out, but is juggling a number of battles which started with Ronaldo, Maguire and now Sancho.

That said i'll add... If we had a fit 11 i'd think ETH should be aiming for some thing like:

Onana
AWB / Varane / Martinez / Reguilon
Casemiro / Arambat
Antony / Bruno / Mount
Hojlund

Subs - Heaton/ Dalot / Lindelof / Shaw / Eriksen / Hannibal / Rashford / Garnacho / Pellestri or Martial

On paper you'd think technically, solid squad, but it's got a serious lack of substance, impact, grit, steel, etc. It's lightweight and with little top tier experience - I count 3 players and I don't include Bruno in that.

Bruno's a real problem in my eyes for the squad, i don't think he's the right captain as i think he's representative of Unitedd's problems - erratic mood/performances and loses it when it ain't going well. Surprised Casemiro or Martinez weren't choosen but I think ETH is banking on a couple of things like longevity, Bruno getting control of his emotions and growing with the captaincy and it has the added benefit of showing it's not all about bringing in ETH players. Which it could be seen as if he appointed Martinez or Casemiro.

The short is, there's so many 'little to larger' problems even beyond the injuries that ETH is trying to juggle. This club has been so poorly run it's like this big ball of spaghetti of knots and crap. ETH is having to slowly unpick them all and working out if they still are useful or useless. All the while trying to perform to an expectant fan base/media and keep the finances going. A season not in the CL will unfortunately hurt ETH's ability to rebuild both financially (as has been proven the last window by how close we run to FFP) and to bring in players with a show of consistency and progress.

It's a horrid/huge job for any manager - i think he's personally doing superbly to stay sane, coherent and consistent.
 
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It seems that as highest paid player, Rashford can't be dropped

Amrabat looks like he'll give away a lot of free kicks, it's a good job we can defend them well
 
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How many losses away are we from ETH being under threat? Will he make it to Christmas?

If we do change manager then we'll guaranteed to be in exactly the same position as we are today within 1-2 years. Rinse and repeat.

The manager shouldn't be immune from criticism, and whilst he has made some mistakes I think we need to stick with him. He's clearly not the problem, he's way, way down on the list of issues with the club. The issue is that we're stuck with those big issues and getting rid of ETH is the easiest next move.
 
ETH will be given time. I think he deserves it, overall.

Goal for this season needs to be simply getting a settled first XI, getting rid of the troublemakers and distractions, and playing some better football. Getting the bloody club sold would be nice too.
 
ETH will be given time. I think he deserves it, overall.

Goal for this season needs to be simply getting a settled first XI, getting rid of the troublemakers and distractions, and playing some better football. Getting the bloody club sold would be nice too.

The trouble is that the DNA of the club, the mentality of the club, is rotten and it's going to continue to be **** for the foreseeable. I can just see ETH being a scapegoat, he'll lose the dressing room at some point because they appear to have no balls.
 
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ETH will be given time. I think he deserves it, overall.

Goal for this season needs to be simply getting a settled first XI, getting rid of the troublemakers and distractions, and playing some better football. Getting the bloody club sold would be nice too.

Getting the club sold is number 1 priority imo. It is just ran absolutely terrible. You will not get a better manager than ETH at United.

Look at what happened to Newcastle once they got sold. Eddie Howe has done a gone job but 70-80% of it has been to the new owners putting a proper business plan in place.
 
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I genuinely don't think the club will get sold. I think the Glazers will hold on for a few years yet and see if they can get that valuation they want.
 
ETH won't get that much time, no manager will. He has to start getting results somehow, the injuries can't be an excuse - although they are definitely a mitigating factor.

Even if results don't improve and we replaced him, it won't change anything. We are stuck in a cycle of hiring managers -> signing the players they want -> sacking them -> caretaker -> repeat. There is no plan or structure anywhere.

The club sale situation is causing major issues now, if the Glazers have decided not to sell, they should announce that - the backlash is irrelevant as they really don't care. There is a zero percent chance of the Glazers getting 10bn so they may as well forget it.

ETH is a decent manager, and he's been allowed to sign the players he wanted. We should persevere and hope he can turn things around, but to be brutally honest, the signs aren't good...
 
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