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yes - watched their engineers discuss cybertruck design - they need to show a factory video of the air bending of the body panels with acute angled corners.
(description had sounded like it was high pressure air - actually folding the metal without a solid die completely behind it - still cool)

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So what is the thought process for lack of rain/weather protection for customers, even on, rapid chargers -
it's a fast process so shouldn't need it, or cost reduction and reduced planning needs - are they the same config in nordic's.
 
The Cybertruck seems to be the latest target. An army of people who wouldn't ever give up their 20 year old beater for one. Cause diesels forever yo.

I detest some of the things Musk has done, but as an engineer I'm a big fan.

He isn't an engineer, he bought up the talent and he didn't start Tesla. Musk is just an investor and professional loudmouth.
 
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So what is the thought process for lack of rain/weather protection for customers, even on, rapid chargers -
it's a fast process so shouldn't need it, or cost reduction and reduced planning needs - are they the same config in nordic's.
Yeah it was an odd realisation when I got out of the car and I was "wet" lol. The charger worked exactly how I would expect it to though (and until now, it rarely has). I plug the thing in...tapped my card...walked away. If the experience is that good I am happy with no roof. Lots of people nearby were sitting in their cars juicing up.
 
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So what is the thought process for lack of rain/weather protection for customers, even on, rapid chargers -
it's a fast process so shouldn't need it, or cost reduction and reduced planning needs - are they the same config in nordic's.
Planning permission, practicalities of where they are being installed and cost.

Chargers and their associated power cabinets, transformers etc. fall under permitted development. A canopy doesn’t.

Most chargers are being installed within existing infrastructure, car parks etc and are not purpose built to be rapid charging stations. Those that are purpose built are sometimes covered (E.g. gridserve electric forecourt).

The ROI on installing rapid chargers is already very long term, they already cost a significant amount of money to install and adding things that aren’t needed but are nice to have is not exactly a priority.
 
Planning permission, practicalities of where they are being installed and cost.

Chargers and their associated power cabinets, transformers etc. fall under permitted development. A canopy doesn’t.

Most chargers are being installed within existing infrastructure, car parks etc and are not purpose built to be rapid charging stations. Those that are purpose built are sometimes covered (E.g. gridserve electric forecourt).

The ROI on installing rapid chargers is already very long term, they already cost a significant amount of money to install and adding things that aren’t needed but are nice to have is not exactly a priority.

I guess the flip side of that is - all other things being equal (which of course they rarely are) - if it's lashing down with rain are you going to pick the covered & sheltered chargers or the ones with no roof on the side of a hill?
 
yes - watched their engineers discuss cybertruck design - they need to show a factory video of the air bending of the body panels with acute angled corners.
(description had sounded like it was high pressure air - actually folding the metal without a solid die completely behind it - still cool)

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It’s more like air hockey, lower friction between die and mould pressing the material with a cushion of air.
 
I guess the flip side of that is - all other things being equal (which of course they rarely are) - if it's lashing down with rain are you going to pick the covered & sheltered chargers or the ones with no roof on the side of a hill?
Maybe, maybe not.

Assuming the charger works, you can be plugged in and charging in under 45 seconds (more like 15 in a tesla or a charger with plug and charge).

It’s a bit of a different proposition than standing out in the cold and rain for 5 mins pumping petrol.

I can’t say I have ever thought that I’d pick a Fastned over a gridserve because it has a canopy.
 
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Reminds me of a few years ago during my LPG phase, one of mates got an LPG car as well. One day we had to stop for fuel, and I found him kneeling on the ground behind the car spread eagle holding the plug onto the car with one hand and holding the button on the top of the pump with the other. He'd been refilling like this since he'd had the car. :cry:

I did wait a few minutes ******* myself before showing him how to lock the connector onto the car properly.
 
Maybe, maybe not.

Assuming the charger works, you can be plugged in and charging in under 45 seconds (more like 15 in a tesla or a charger with plug and charge).

It’s a bit of a different proposition than standing out in the cold and rain for 5 mins pumping petrol.

I can’t say I have ever thought that I’d pick a Fastned over a gridserve because it has a canopy.
I think you are at maturity 10 though when the market is at majority ... 4. This lad looked really sad/distraught because of the multiple charging standards/lack of even consistent charging "tower" per bay.

I'm not arguing against "no canopy", I am just saying, you can't poo poo it as a reasonable expectation in a slightly more complicated setup where folk will rarely use the chargers anyway (i.e. be less accustomed).
 
It's the age of the app and the touch screen in the car - neither of which my retired parents could really adapt to - a model3 interface would be an anathema to them,
the aging population - but are such cars really adapted to that. (stupid Israelis telling people via qr code/app where they will be bombing next - case in point)
Assisted driving aids (lane keep&radar) might give them more time to p*** around with the touchscreen, though.

For the charger can't we have a secure uwb interface from inside the car to authorize the whole payment ? so, outside of car, physically just have to plug it in.
 
Would you actually trust your payment details to your average cars infotainment system given the vast majority of them are a laggy mess which people just use to host android auto or car play?

Most pensioners alive today will be dead before they need to get an EV. The phase out doesn't complete for 12 years and then ICE will have a 15 year tail on the end of that making those who are currently 70, 97 years old. As for pensioners and apps, my gran is on social media more than I am and most of the older people I know are more than happy to shop online these days. I'm sure many of them would be fine if they could be bothered to spend perhaps an hour learning something new, its not like they don't have time.
 
It's the age of the app and the touch screen in the car - neither of which my retired parents could really adapt to - a model3 interface would be an anathema to them,
the aging population - but are such cars really adapted to that. (stupid Israelis telling people via qr code/app where they will be bombing next - case in point)
Assisted driving aids (lane keep&radar) might give them more time to p*** around with the touchscreen, though.

For the charger can't we have a secure uwb interface from inside the car to authorize the whole payment ? so, outside of car, physically just have to plug it in.

Put the glue down mate
 
~70% of car owners are able to charge at home and it will always be considerably cheaper to charge at home than on the public network. So generally yes, it’s expected most people still install them at home.

Assuming you don’t own a 2011 Nissan leaf, you’ll seldom use a public charger within 100 miles of home, if you can charge at home.

I’m not saying there’s an abundance of public chargers in Cornwall but I seldom hear people complaining about it unlike North Wales and Lincolnshire. It’s probably fair to say there isn’t an abundance of people in Cornwall for most of the year, I know that’s a saw point of contention for the locals.
Well that's ~1/3 of car owners who can't charge at home.
Fine whilst EVs are a novelty, but if nothing gets built, that 1/3 becomes an increasingly frustrated market who can't charge their cars :p
And yeah, nothing is being built down here.
I guess 1/3 of people are strongly incentivised to keep their ICEs, and I don't think there's any realistic chance the govt could ask 1/3 of drivers to just stop using their vehicles. In 2035 or... ever.
 
Most of the 30% who can’t charge at home live in big towns and cities, last time I checked that doesn’t describe Cornwall. I’d go out on a limb and say that % will be much higher in Cornwall.

What’s your source for there’s nothing being built down there? Looks to be as much as anywhere else in the country.

There are actually more Tesla super chargers in Cornwall than the county I live in and the county I live in has 50% more people. I’m also aware there are more under construction.
 
What’s your source for there’s nothing being built down there? Looks to be as much as anywhere else in the country.

Source's will usually be a gut feeling, a newspaper article, or his sons, girlfriends, dads, wife's, brothers, dogs, ice-cream man told them. :p
 
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Would you actually trust your payment details to your average cars infotainment system given the vast majority of them are a laggy mess which people just use to host android auto or car play?

Don't have much choice my car has all the info already, it is basically an android phone on wheels linked ot my google account :D Do I trust any of these things, no, I just accept them and that there is a good amount of risk for the convenience. A bit like keyless entry, you know it's the easiest way to steal many cars but man does it make life easier, for the thieves too. :D
 
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Put the glue down mate
you think a touchscreen is a viable interface for an older less dexterous - irregular smartphone/app person ,
why couldn't they make the charger payment system predominately executed in the car
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BBC cheerleading a a whistle blower tesla employee on autopilot ills but not providing any details
original data is interesting
May 25, 2023 - 7:00 p.m
Berlin, Düsseldorf, New York, Tokyo. Building self-driving vehicles is for Teslaa question of existence. CEO Elon Musk said in June 2022 that developing a functioning autopilot would determine “whether Tesla is worth a lot of money or practically zero.”
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Insiders have leaked 100 gigabytes of data to Handelsblatt, which are said to have come from Tesla's IT system. They suggest that the car manufacturer has greater technical problems than previously thought. Tesla speaks of data theft.

The Tesla files contain more than 2,400 complaints about self-acceleration and more than 1,500 problems with braking functions, including 139 cases of unwanted emergency braking and 383 reported phantom braking as a result of false collision warnings. The number of crashes is more than 1,000. A table of incidents involving driving assistance systems in which customers expressed safety concerns contains more than 3,000 entries.

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The Tesla continued to accelerate. According to the data, the accelerator pedal registered a pressure of 95 percent when the car hit the rear of a Toyota Sienna. Brown drove off the highway, reportedly without braking. When the Tesla raced toward the intersection and crashed into the Toyota Tundra, the accelerator pedal reported that it was 100 percent depressed
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One of them made headlines in January 2023. The reason was Ashok Elluswamy's statement about a fatal Tesla accident. Elluswamy, the head of software development for Tesla's Autopilot, was asked about a 2016 commercial.
The clip showed a Model X seemingly driving completely autonomously through California. At the beginning, Tesla displayed in white letters on a black background: “The person in the driver's seat is only sitting there for legal reasons. He doesn’t do anything, the car drives itself.”
During his interrogation, Elluswamy stated that Tesla's Autopilot team designed and recorded a "demonstration of the system's capabilities" at Musk's request. But there were problems.
During tests, the driver had to intervene several times to avoid accidents. Tesla has decided to take precautionary measures. The car ended up traveling on a predetermined route, Elluswamy said. A parking scene in which the car drove into a fence was also cut out.
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On February 16, 2023, the US transportation authority NHTSA asked Tesla to update 362,000 cars with the FSD software. The agency said problems with the system “increase the risk of an accident.” It is possible that the cars exceed the speed limit on their own and drive in an “unlawful or unpredictable manner” – for example “through an intersection”.
The Handelsblatt has a presumably internal presentation from May 2018. It is part of the Tesla files and apparently shows how an engineer lists problem areas for his colleagues during an error analysis. There were therefore ten categories. The most sensitive ones included unintentional braking and acceleration of vehicles. This affects “the safe operation of the vehicle,” the presentation says. Next to it is the note: “Dangerous – direct risk to the safety of the customer without warning.”
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Tesla has long used a front radar with a lower resolution. For the system there was “a car in front of me – yes or no”, nothing in between, says Zimmermann. When the car went around a tight curve, the radar no longer saw the car in front and accelerated.
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In May 2021, Tesla removed the radar sensor. The task of traffic monitoring is now only carried out by the cameras installed in the car. Artificial intelligence evaluates your videos in real time, compares the data with maps and data from other Tesla vehicles and gives the system appropriate driving instructions. Zimmermann says that the problem with acceleration is likely to get smaller with every new car.
The data from the Tesla files also suggests this. Since the company has started using the cameras, it has apparently happened less often that the cars accelerate on their own. But while complaints about unwanted acceleration in the data package decreased, a new phenomenon emerged: phantom braking.
 
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