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It looks like the Honda E is officially EOL.

DOA is probably a fairer description given how few they’ve sold which is allegedly <10k across Europe since release. In 3 years I think I’ve seen one on the road twice.

I just don’t know how they managed to get it so wrong while looking so right. I guess money talks and when you’re asking near £40k for a Honda EV with 100miles of range in 2020-2023, unsurprisingly people turned their noses up at it.
 
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It looks like the Honda E is officially EOL.

DOA is probably a fairer description given how few they’ve sold which is allegedly <10k across Europe since release. In 3 years I think I’ve seen one on the road twice.

I just don’t know how they managed to get it so wrong while looking so right. I guess money talks and when you’re asking near £40k for a Honda EV with 100miles of range in 2020-2023, unsurprisingly people turned their noses up at it.

Two different people on streets near me have Honda E's and i've seen quite a few around.
It's been out for a while so is probably getting to the point where newer EV's make it look like last decades laptop's
 
It looks like the Honda E is officially EOL.

DOA is probably a fairer description given how few they’ve sold which is allegedly <10k across Europe since release. In 3 years I think I’ve seen one on the road twice.

I just don’t know how they managed to get it so wrong while looking so right. I guess money talks and when you’re asking near £40k for a Honda EV with 100miles of range in 2020-2023, unsurprisingly people turned their noses up at it.
If they'd stuck a 60kw battery in it, it would have sold loads. Now the Chinese cars are here and making things like the Honda E and Nissan Leaf look pretty ridiculous.
 
Hard to take a Honda E over an ID3 etc a few years ago too. Range put me off. It drove well according to reviews and was probably a mini competitor really. (But too expensive as said ). Interior was a bit odd too
 
It looks like the Honda E is officially EOL.

DOA is probably a fairer description given how few they’ve sold which is allegedly <10k across Europe since release. In 3 years I think I’ve seen one on the road twice.

I just don’t know how they managed to get it so wrong while looking so right. I guess money talks and when you’re asking near £40k for a Honda EV with 100miles of range in 2020-2023, unsurprisingly people turned their noses up at it.

Yes, the range was pathetic.

I saw one in my local town a few times.
 
Liking the auto battery swap idea from China

Saw that. Looks like it takes more time to complete the switch over than it would just fast charging. Plus it looks like you have to sit and wait in the car.

No thanks. Just big banks of 30+ 350kw fast chargers please.
 
Saw that. Looks like it takes more time to complete the switch over than it would just fast charging. Plus it looks like you have to sit and wait in the car.

No thanks. Just big banks of 30+ 350kw fast chargers please.

Did you watch the video?

Perfect for cities, flat owners and those that cannot charge overnight at home and offer batteries to suit the driving.
 
It looks like the Honda E is officially EOL.

DOA is probably a fairer description given how few they’ve sold which is allegedly <10k across Europe since release. In 3 years I think I’ve seen one on the road twice.

I just don’t know how they managed to get it so wrong while looking so right. I guess money talks and when you’re asking near £40k for a Honda EV with 100miles of range in 2020-2023, unsurprisingly people turned their noses up at it.
terrible range and an impractical car.

neither would have been an issue if priced accordingly but it was an utter rip off........ imo the perfect example of style over substance at an absolute premium price, so much so it could have been made by apple! ;)

more seriously...... i hope they dont (but am sure some of the gutter press will even if Honda dont) try to use the Honda E as proof that no one wants a small EV with albeit limited range as a city car.

because we absolutely DO need that and i am convinced there is a market for it........... just that it needs to be £20k not pushing £40k

imo if the renault 5 can hit this kind of price point, it will prove it as well.
 
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Did you watch the video?

Perfect for cities, flat owners and those that cannot charge overnight at home and offer batteries to suit the driving.
Yes, I did. If it takes longer to change the battery than to fast charge it, and is less convenient to do so (can't go get a coffee while it's going it), how is it better than just charging a battery?
 
because we absolutely DO need that and i am convinced there is a market for it........... just that it needs to be £20k not pushing £40k

You can get the Corsa-e and the Fiat 500e for ~£20k, and about £1-2k more will get you Mokka-e or e-208, these are brand new, available now.
 
You can get the Corsa-e and the Fiat 500e for ~£20k, and about £1-2k more will get you Mokka-e or e-208, these are brand new, available now.
really? that is great, and probably a good reason why people didnt buy the honda.

i did briefly look at an e-208 a year or so ago as I have had good experiences with peugeot and they are a tidy looking car but they were way more than £20k.

surely that must mean now the gap between EVs and ICE cars must be pretty small now?
 
really? that is great, and probably a good reason why people didnt buy the honda.

i did briefly look at an e-208 a year or so ago as I have had good experiences with peugeot and they are a tidy looking car but they were way more than £20k.

surely that must mean now the gap between EVs and ICE cars must be pretty small now?

Well it is December, so I guess prices are lower than normal this time of year, but I'd also say that they may go up again if the used EV market keeps recovering in pricing terms.
 
You could get Corsa E’s for ~£20k back in 2020 before prices went absolutely bonkers and it’s good to see them back at a sensible price. They are good cars at that price point.

The issue with the Honda E has always been the price. The Zoe, 500, Corsa etc have all been cheaper and more capable. If you wanted the whimsical car, the (still not great) Mini and the 500 ticked that box for a lot less money.

I understood only Europe and UK stopping Honda E sales?
Correct, but if they are not selling into the biggest EV markets in the world because it was a sales flop, where are they selling it?

The Chinese certainly are not going to buy it over a domestic car at that price and the yanks want 200 miles EPA range to even consider it.
 
I don’t know that’s all I recall seeing on a news report. I would assume selling in Japan?

EDIT. Looks like Japan sales stopped a year ago! Ha
 
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Liking the auto battery swap idea from China

The way I see it, it’s a good tech demo but practically, it doesn’t really save you much time. You are also required to take a battery lease to use the stations.

Saw that. Looks like it takes more time to complete the switch over than it would just fast charging. Plus it looks like you have to sit and wait in the car.

No thanks. Just big banks of 30+ 350kw fast chargers please.
It takes less time, circa 5 minutes if it’s available when you pull up.

However I agree with your point in that I’d take a bank of 350kw chargers which any car can use.
Did you watch the video?

Perfect for cities, flat owners and those that cannot charge overnight at home and offer batteries to suit the driving.
Not sure I agree with that take. Cars spend 90% of their time parked, it’s quicker, easier and cheaper to charge them while they are parked. Moving the chargers to the cars is going to be a better solution than swapping £15k batteries every few days.

Those swap stations also don’t swap in a fully charged battery, it’s only 90% and you have to take a battery lease as you can’t own the battery if you keep swapping it for another one.

Yes, I did. If it takes longer to change the battery than to fast charge it, and is less convenient to do so (can't go get a coffee while it's going it), how is it better than just charging a battery?

It is faster but your last point hits the nail on the head for me. You have to sit in the car while it changes so in practice you don’t actually save any time over a car/charger with a decent 800V system (or Tesla who allows 625A @ 400V).

Or put it another way, after 4 hours driving, you swap the pack, then you have to park up so you can use the toilet anyway. In that total time, you could have just charged to 80-90%.

Bjorn does that (admittedly scientific) ‘how fast can you drive 1000km’ test, it’s barley any faster using the swap stations than it is charging a similar car like an EV6 or Tesla. Incidentally the EVs are not that much slower than the PHEVs these days because the limiting factors are starting to become the person driving the car rather than the car.

I don’t know that’s all I recall seeing on a news report. I would assume selling in Japan?
I guess so but Japanese EV sales are nonexistent, even Tesla has failed to make any sizeable ground in Japan.

I cant see it ever being a commercial success.
 
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I guess so but Japanese EV sales are nonexistent, even Tesla has failed to make any sizeable ground in Japan.

What is the car market like for non-Japanese branded cars like in Japan? The only option they have is Nissan, and a Lexus model from that perspective. Seems much like the games console market in Japan, it seems to exist in its own little bubble.
 
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