New pc build

hi guys after reading all your feedback and watching some videos etc I'm still undecided regarding the motherboard, many of you have chosen mobo that are a very good price, but im not sure regarding the b650,x670 and the e versions, really don't want to upgrade for many of years but when i do i don't really fancy upgrading my motherboard first, only maybe the obvious gpu etc, so what will be a good board to get that will cover me for maybe future upgrades ?
i know the x670e boards are a waste of time now but will i need one of them for future use ?

can compromise with not having a "all white board" if the price and longevity is good
 
brandy12345 said:
hi guys after reading all your feedback and watching some videos etc I'm still undecided regarding the motherboard, many of you have chosen mobo that are a very good price, but im not sure regarding the b650,x670 and the e versions, really don't want to upgrade for many of years but when i do i don't really fancy upgrading my motherboard first, only maybe the obvious gpu etc, so what will be a good board to get that will cover me for maybe future upgrades ?
i know the x670e boards are a waste of time now but will i need one of them for future use ?
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No one can tell you for sure if the extra features will pay off, we're all just guessing. My personal opinion is: if the A620-Pro has enough features for you now, there's no point paying double (or more) for B650E/X670E when you could just replace the board in a few years time if, for example: USB4 and PCI-E 5.0 are mainstream and something you need.

I'd say there's one requirement that pretty much requires a high-end board: more than 3 M.2 slots. If you don't care about the speed of the LAN/wireless, number/version of USB ports, number of PCI-E 5.0 M.2/PCI-E graphics, then pretty much any board should be fine for at least 2-3 years, probably much more.
 
brandy12345 said:
hi guys after reading all your feedback and watching some videos etc I'm still undecided regarding the motherboard, many of you have chosen mobo that are a very good price, but im not sure regarding the b650,x670 and the e versions, really don't want to upgrade for many of years but when i do i don't really fancy upgrading my motherboard first, only maybe the obvious gpu etc, so what will be a good board to get that will cover me for maybe future upgrades ?
i know the x670e boards are a waste of time now but will i need one of them for future use ?

can compromise with not having a "all white board" if the price and longevity is good
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How future proof are we talking?
 
Tetras said:
No one can tell you for sure if the extra features will pay off, we're all just guessing. My personal opinion is: if the A620-Pro has enough features for you now, there's no point paying double (or more) for B650E/X670E when you could just replace the board in a few years time if, for example: USB4 and PCI-E 5.0 are mainstream and something you need.

I'd say there's one requirement that pretty much requires a high-end board: more than 3 M.2 slots. If you don't care about the speed of the LAN/wireless, number/version of USB ports, number of PCI-E 5.0 M.2/PCI-E graphics, then pretty much any board should be fine for at least 2-3 years, probably much more.
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Replacing the motherboard is a royal PIA with todays windowed, ultra neat, water cooled RGB disco builds.
 
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Replacing the motherboard is a royal PIA with todays windowed, ultra neat, water cooled RGB disco builds.
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True.

I guess what I'm trying to say to the OP is: don't pay double or more for stuff you'll probably never need, unless you have a decent inkling you'll want it.

E.g. if they hardly ever plug a removable USB device into their PC, then it is 99% likely to be pointless to spend extra on USB4.
 
im hoping with a 4090,78003d,32gb ram and acouple of m.2's then i shouldnt need to upgrade for at least 4 years (settings turned down), but then dont fancy taking the mobo out etc, ideally if a board is out now then i would rather buy one know (assuming not highish price).

will be in my early 50s when i need to upgrade so patients will be very thin lol.
 
brandy12345 said:
im hoping with a 4090,78003d,32gb ram and acouple of m.2's then i shouldnt need to upgrade for at least 4 years (settings turned down), but then dont fancy taking the mobo out etc, ideally if a board is out now then i would rather buy one know (assuming not highish price).

will be in my early 50s when i need to upgrade so patients will be very thin lol.
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With a non Nvidia RTX 4090 you can’t. They block all the bloody expansion slots. Outside of maybe a hand full of desktop boards all the expansion slots are covered. MSI MEG and Biostar Valkyrie are the only two I can think that let you hang a single expansion card from the lowest slot and then, only if the case allows and it might causes the card to run hot.

For future proofing I’d say pick board with a few PCIE gen5 NVME slots, two PCIE x16 slots. A 20 gigabit USB port or two and at least 2.5Gbps networking ideally 5 or even 10Gbps as fibre speeds increase networking speed will become important.
 
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jigger said:
With a non Nvidia RTX 4090 you can’t. They block all the bloody expansion slots. Outside of maybe a hand full of desktop boards all the expansion slots are covered. MSI MEG and Biostar Valkyrie are the only two I can think that let you hang a single expansion card from the lowest slot and then, only if the case allows and it might causes the card to run hot.

For future proofing I’d say pick board with a few PCIE gen5 NVME slots, two PCIE x16 slots. A 20 gigabit USB port or two and at least 2.5Gbps networking ideally 5 or even 10Gbps as fibre speeds increase networking speed will become important.
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Any boards that you would look at ?
 
The Asus proart x670 is probably the most well featured board with a sensible layout and reasonable price.

The MSI MEG is a hell of a board but, pricey even by my snobbish motherboard standards.

I can’t think of any white boards with a sensible layout to accommodate a 3-4 slot GPU. Me personally I’d probably just look at a reference 4090 and/or go for a full custom water system.
 
Help!
I am going to start buying some parts later today, but theirs 2 price differences for Thermalright’s Peerless Assassin 120 SE (white) via the forest, can anyone tell me why their are a £10 difference, apart from who is actually sending it, I can’t find any difference
 
brandy12345 said:
Help!
I am going to start buying some parts later today, but theirs 2 price differences for Thermalright’s Peerless Assassin 120 SE (white) via the forest, can anyone tell me why their are a £10 difference, apart from who is actually sending it, I can’t find any difference
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Looks like that is the only difference.

I would just get the cheapest, with the fastest delivery.
 
I went with a Asus strix b650e-e board...yes, pricey at £265, but ample vrm so shouldn't be a problem for future cpu upgrades...got slot is pcie5 so 7090 down the line won't be a problem if they ever do saturate gen 5. Pcie 5 nvme slot for when they become cheaper and 3 other gen 4 slots...has a error code lcd digit display on it also for giving you problem codes. Decent number of USB ports on back Was about as future specced as I could get it without spending £400 plus going x670 boards.
I think the 4080 super which will be £959 or something for fe card will be better buy than 4090...Will be close to 4090 from rumours but save you £700. Its a proper 4k card and save the 700 for the 6080 or whatever down the line
 
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I went with a Asus strix b650e-e board...yes, pricey at £265, but ample vrm so shouldn't be a problem for future cpu upgrades...got slot is pcie5 so 7090 down the line won't be a problem if they ever do saturate gen 5. Pcie 5 nvme slot for when they become cheaper and 3 other gen 4 slots...has a error code lcd digit display on it also for giving you problem codes. Decent number of USB ports on back Was about as future specced as I could get it without spending £400 plus going x670 boards.
I think the 4080 super which will be £959 or something for fe card will be better buy than 4090...Will be close to 4090 from rumours but save you £700. Its a proper 4k card and save the 700 for the 6080 or whatever down the line
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It will probably be hard to actually buy a 4080 super when they come out,

What’s the difference between the asus strix b650e-e and the b650e-f ?
As I was looking at just getting Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX ICE AM5 DDR5 ATX Wifi Motherboard.

I’ve come to the conclusion that with a 4090 gpu I wouldn’t need to upgrade (any components) for 4/5 years, so will come across upgrading to PCIE 5.0 boards when need, so just looking at a am5 b650 board
 
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the b650e-e has 2 gen5 pcie slots, f has 1 gen5, e has 4 nvme slots(2 can be gen 5 but you'd share lanes if you used 2nd), f has 3, 1 is gen 5, 1 gen4. e vrm is 16x70A, the f is a 12+2 80A if my memory is correct(I'll have to double check that)...you get the q code display on the e, not on the f, and rear you get 1 usc gen2x2 port(type c)7 usb 3.2 gen 2 ports(1 usc c), 4 usb 2.0 ports...the f get 4 3.2 gen 2 portsr 3 are 3.2 gen 1...both use ALC4080 sound codec...both boards are manufactured on a 8 layer pcb
so little differnewences that add up, for the £40 more
the gigabyte board the 2 pcie slots are 1 gen4, 1 gen3..you get 3 m.2 nvme slots, i gen 5, other 2 gen4(so same as gaming f)..rear i/o you get 1 3.2 gen2x2 type c, 2 gen3.2 gen2 and 4 usb 2.0 ports on back...vrms are 12x60A..it uses alc897 sound codec which is quite old..manufacturered on a 6 layer pcb

there is no right or wrong..the strix are better specced but if you wont use any of the bits, or don't care, the gigabyte board is just fine too...there are no real bad boards...except maybe some of the cheap asus prime b650 boards which i would avoid..if you like the look of the gigabye board and suits your build, go for it

I was just reading thread and you wanted as much future proffing as you can get, so only pointing out...whether any of it is needed is a different discussion, I jiust remember a whole load of people chopping in their b450 boards for b550 when they got 3090 gpus as they didn't want to loose the 1~3% diff that the b450 pcie3 boards would loose to the pcie4 boards of the b550...gessing if you're dropping £1400 on a gpu, you want all the performance you can get...

Think the 4080 supers will sell...from reading reviews etc, that's the gpu most people have been asking about.don't think they'll sell out immediately so think as long as you're looking on release day, you'll get a card..oif it is close halfway between the current 4080 and 4090 in performance, the price to performance will blow the 4090 out the water
 
Thankyou @Craig_d1 for explaining,
What I really would like if theirs something on the board that maybe shows if theirs a problem with it, I’ve recently had to get rid of a old mobo because I couldn’t see the problem after everyone suggested going through some fixes,

If I decided to go for a 4090, would you suggest to look at asus b650e-e and b650e-f ?

I only stumbled across the gigabyte board as I watched a video regarding thermal temperatures and that one came highly recommended .
 
brandy12345 said:
Thankyou @Craig_d1 for explaining,
What I really would like if theirs something on the board that maybe shows if theirs a problem with it, I’ve recently had to get rid of a old mobo because I couldn’t see the problem after everyone suggested going through some fixes,

If I decided to go for a 4090, would you suggest to look at asus b650e-e and b650e-f ?

I only stumbled across the gigabyte board as I watched a video regarding thermal temperatures and that one came highly recommended .
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its the 2 digit led debug code display that's on the e board..Gamernexus has a rant about it below, and how it's not on a lot of mobo's. it basically throws up codes if theres a problem. An example for me, when I first booted up the gaming e board is that it didn't boot with my 6000c30 ram, and it threw up a code..i looked it up and knew it was a memory problem, so went back into bios, disabled expo, and it booted fine..then went back into bios, upggraded bios to newer version, re enabled expo and rebooted, and it's worked fine ever since. It's the reason I went for that board..i was looking at that or the msi x670e carbon or x670e gaming e, as they both had one too, but they were significantly more money, and I couldn't justify price when looking at what i got with the b650e-e board..gigabyye have it on there master b650 board, but that costs close to £400 i think on ocuk. the b650e-e was cheapest board i could find wth the feature


good to watch the below also about boards..fairly basic overview but a good starting point

 
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