First new build in over 10 years. This is what I fancy... any suggestions or potential bloopers?

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Rationale, flawed or correct.
I like the look of the Jonsbo case because it's compact, I'm sure the novelty of the small screen will wear off very quickly. For the moment I can't stretch to a new monitor. That leaves me I'm stuck at 1080p for a while, though 1440p is on the wish list. I really just want to build something that will last and possibly leave the door open for future upgrades. To be honest I've been mulling it over for months and still not pulled the trigger.
 
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What are your noise level objectives? That PSU starts its fan up at 30% load so worth thinking about.

Also are you planning on recycling case fans from somewhere? Doesn't look like it comes with any in the box after a very quick skim of the case page.
 
5abr3 said:
What are your noise level objectives? That PSU starts its fan up at 30% load so worth thinking about.

Also are you planning on recycling case fans from somewhere? Doesn't look like it comes with any in the box after a very quick skim of the case page.
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Cheers I forgot to mention fans. In truth, doubt I've looked at a fan spec in decades. PC will be sitting on top of my desk so quieter the better if it's not excessively expensive to find something that suits.
 
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That's a horrid case IMO - expensive too. I spent less on a Montech King 95 Pro (which has fans included). If you want a decent compact case look at the Kolink Citadel Mesh (either plain or RGB) and go mATX.
 
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Most 4070 GPUs (not the super) use 8 pin connectors, so if you want to save £20 you could switch to the old GX.

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That leaves me I'm stuck at 1080p for a while, though 1440p is on the wish list.
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4070 would be fine at 1440p, so long as you're reasonable in your expectations.

DampDog said:
I really just want to build something that will last and possibly leave the door open for future upgrades.
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The CPU should do at least one graphics upgrade before you need to replace, so that's a bonus.
 
If your not bothered about ray tracing performance the 7900gre at £510 beats the 4070 super by 10% on average at 1440p according to gamers nexus.

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Quartz said:
That's a horrid case IMO - expensive too. I spent less on a Montech King 95 Pro (which has fans included). If you want a decent compact case look at the Kolink Citadel Mesh (either plain or RGB) and go mATX.
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That's fine we like what we like. Nothing is cast in stone yet anyway. I got down to a short list of the Meshify 2 Compact, Fractal North & Jonsbo D41. I even looked at the D31 but whimped out at the thought of jumping to mATX.
Tetras said:
Most 4070 GPUs (not the super) use 8 pin connectors, so if you want to save £20 you could switch to the old GX.


4070 would be fine at 1440p, so long as you're reasonable in your expectations.


The CPU should do at least one graphics upgrade before you need to replace, so that's a bonus.
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I plumbed for the 7800X3D as it appears to be the sweet spot, bag vs ££ at the moment and pretty power efficient. I do game but I'm not on a mission to have everything run Ultra and huge frame rates. Now it's been mentioned I'm just looking to see if there are any quiet power supplies out there.
mickyflinn said:
If your not bothered about ray tracing performance the 7900gre at £510 beats the 4070 super by 10% on average at 1440p according to gamers nexus.

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Can't say I chose the 4070 for any other reason than it hit my price bracket. Over the years I've generally had Nvidia cards and touchwood up to present had no issues. I don't really pay much attention to hardware specs until something needs replacing or upgrading and I need to read-up. It's has surprised me how stuff has moved on. M2 drives in particular. I thought they were only on high end stuff.
 
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for ssd, I'd drop the the lexar for £70...just as fast as the 980 pro, or spend a bit more for the 2tb drive...all these below have read/writes around 7300/6500
from other thread I put below
the 1tb has a read/write of 7400/6500 with a 1000tbw endurance
if you opt for 2tb os drive, the spatium pro is slightly cheaper than the lexar now and offers a 7400/7000 read write with a 1400tbw endurance
ythe your game drive back to the lexar 4tb again with a 7400/6500 read/write and 3000tbw endurance..have seen for £230 away.
the lexar is new so if you want something more tried and tested then the 4tb SN850X is on offer at £279 with a 7300/6600 and 2400 tbw endurance
they all come with 5 year warranties and endurance so large, you'll be taking them to your next rig

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if hit you price point, I'd consider the 7600x and the 4070super...cheaper than the 7800x3d and 4070 and on av you get better fps in gaming. the 7800x3d is excellent cpu, but the gpu wont stretch it, and the cpu doesn't magivcally give you more fps, just wont throttle until a higher level​
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Your build is ok,

Might be worth looking at the arctic freezer 3 280mm currently on offer and cheaper than the deep cool air cooler you've chosen, if you don't mind going down the aio route. The arctic freezer 3 is also better for amd systems at the minute due to its offset design

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The 4070 super would be worth the extra ,£50 over the 4070 the 4070 is just not good value for money at the moment. The 7900gre mentioned is a good alternative beats the 4070 and is cheaper/similar price but the 4070 super has it pegged when using ray tracing.
 
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The Teamgroup (RGB, black or white) 6000 CL30 RAM is a tenner cheaper than the Kingston stuff
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I looked at the TeamGroup on price. I plumbed for the Kingston as it's shorter only 35mm vs 46mm for the TeamGroup. Plus I'm not really fussed about RGB. Once built case will be in a corner, no one will ever see inside.
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Your build is ok,

Might be worth looking at the arctic freezer 3 280mm currently on offer and cheaper than the deep cool air cooler you've chosen, if you don't mind going down the aio route. The arctic freezer 3 is also better for amd systems at the minute due to its offset design.
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"amd systems at the minute due to its offset design." Offset? Am I missing a trick? My preference is for air cooled as it's simple and less to go wrong in the long run. My main concern was would the Assassin be up to the job of cooling the 7800X3D? I have no issues with using an AIO if there are real gains/advantages in cooling performance. Iirc the Assassin is rated at 280W TDP which is on a par with 360 AIO coolers, and better than most 280mm.

Re the 4070/4070Super/7900GRE. What actually uses ray-tracing atm?
 
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Info the arctic

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The arctic has an offset base that places the cooler plate right on top of the CCD and makes significant difference to the temps seen.

In terms of air cooler peerless assassin (not sold by OCUK) is probably the best bang for the buck can be found for less than £40 and has rave reviews.

The 7800x3d has a tdp of 105w so it doesn't need oodles of cooling like the intel chips.

There are quite a few games using ray tracing right now, and all new games coming out have it. It can be turned off in the settings though, some people notice it, some don't.
 
Tetras said:
Most 4070 GPUs (not the super) use 8 pin connectors, so if you want to save £20 you could switch to the old GX.
4070 would be fine at 1440p, so long as you're reasonable in your expectations.
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Yep, my Asus Dual has an 8pin :)

I have no issue maxing out the settings in any game at 1440p or 4K with DLSS3.5/Frame Generation/Reflex, Alan Wake 2 can max out 1440P DLAA native rendered resolution for example with RT off and easily gets 60+ - which suits me fine for a SP game via my 1440P/4K60hz TV and a ps4 controller :)

Alan Wake 2 is probably the most demanding game I've played, and I've played everything bar BG3 (no interest), often though most games are very close to triple figures maxed out at native 1440p, i.e. the Resi games for example...
RE4Remake does 74-86ish FPS at 1440P native with RT on, or native 1440p max settings no RT is in the high 80-90s...
Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty does upto 120fps at max 1440p with RT off using DLSS3.5/Frame Generation/Reflex or 60's at 4K DLSS with FG/Reflex on.
The Last Of Us Remake 4K native high settings 60-64fps, or 4K Max settings with DLSS2 no frame gen/reflex does 65-70's depending on area. OR into the 100s with the DLSS3.5/FG/Reflex mod.
Dead Space Remake/The Callisto Protocol, both do a solid 60ish fps at 4K with DLSS or FSR on with max settings with RT off.

CS2 native 1440p low is something stupid like 465-550 fps in linux mint, last time I played it at the desk with my 165hz 1440p monitor, it can probably do more in windows with DLSS3.5/FG/Reflex however, but never tried it - have since moved this rig to live under the tv for SP gaming with a controller however, as I have a MITX SG-13 SFF build at the desk now for daily duties :)

If you're bothered, it never goes above 64-76C in the performance dual bios switched mode, with the fan barely audible, my system is silent fan/cpu hsf wise, with the hsf/case fans barely on so the only thing I can hear is the gpu when it ramps up for a few seconds here and there. I'm sure if I bothered to turn my case fans up the 4070 probably wouldn't even turn the fans on, as it barely does as it is! I could also mount 2 fans below it on the case but haven't bothered, it's a mesh mid tower on it's side with 2 140mm bequiet purewings 2 pwm up front and a 120mm pwm rear.

When I ran the 4070 in the quiet bios mode for a year, I never heard it, even when it was next to my leg at the desk which is next to an airing cupboard haha, and the temps were the same...

Oh and they absolutely love an undervolt if that interests you too, mine was sipping power at 115-145w for any native maxed out 1440p/4k DLSS3.5/FG/Reflex game, and anything with RT on was at worst 155-165w!
 
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keef247 said:
If you're bothered, it never goes above 64-76C in the performance dual bios switched mode, with the fan barely audible, my system is silent fan/cpu hsf wise, with the hsf/case fans barely on so the only thing I can hear is the gpu when it ramps up for a few seconds here and there. I'm sure if I bothered to turn my case fans up the 4070 probably wouldn't even turn the fans on, as it barely does as it is! I could also mount 2 fans below it on the case but haven't bothered, it's a mesh mid tower on it's side with 2 140mm bequiet purewings 2 pwm up front and a 120mm pwm rear.

When I ran the 4070 in the quiet bios mode for a year, I never heard it, even when it was next to my leg at the desk which is next to an airing cupboard haha, and the temps were the same...

Oh and they absolutely love an undervolt if that interests you too, mine was sipping power at 115-145w for any native maxed out 1440p/4k DLSS3.5/FG/Reflex game, and anything with RT on was at worst 155-165w!
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I was wondering what are typical temps to expect for GPU/CPU. 4070 recommends a 650W PSU as minimum so not sure me choosing a 850W is overkill and a 750W would be up to the task. That said a little extra headroom shouldn't be a bad thing. Have absolutely no idea what "dual bios switched mode" is or does. Sounds like witchcraft!
 
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i have the matx version (D31) of this case, but without the screen. the screen is a gimmick imo, unless you have a specific need for it

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there were 5 of the matx d31 white mesh (non-screen) in stock last week and i bought one
(i seem to like white...had a white bitfenix prodigy and currently using a white corsair 380t)

quick review:

pros:
steel case, reasonable heft...
quality feels spot on and the case sides are not flimsy
white paint is painted on evenly, no obvious blemishes
very easy to build in

cons:
the mesh is not a dust filter, but looks likely to be pretty restrictive...will need to see what the temps will be like when i complete my build
the front panel wires have not been trimmed to fit an matx case, so they're very long
no fans. buyer beware. not an issue if you want to use your own fans though - i guess this is how jonsbo hit the £60 price point by omitting fans
plastic catches for the sides appear flimsy but at least a couple extras were provided...not a big issue unless you're going to keep taking the sides off

unknown:
how long the white will stay white before it yellows
how scratch resistant the paint/tempered glass is
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tamzzy said:
the panels are somewhat restrictive
definitely would not suggest running a high CFM fan at the front on full speed as will have crazy wind noise from the turbulence
have a 240mm arctic liquid freezer 2 up top (the case will not fit a 280mm liquid freezer 2 due to the added thickness of the radiator - found out the hard way)
this is cooling a ryzen 7600 with no issues, but it's not as if the 7600 was a power hungry chip to begin with and i've set my fan profile to silent

in total have 4 120mm fans (1 front intake, 1 rear exhaust and 2 top for the aio)
there's space for another 2 120mm fans as intake at the bottom if required, but not needed for my 3080
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Think these are what I'd look at, keep in mind that the LianLi case includes 2 x 160mm aRGB Fans (Front) and a 1 x 140mm rear exhaust fan, it also has a case mounted fan / rgb controller, so you won't need to worry about fans, the AIO would be a better option for cooling with a 7800X3D and it's not much more than your original cooler.

NOTE: I can't see them available on the OC Website, but you'd want the EXPO version of the RAM, I think these are XMP

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DampDog said:
I was wondering what are typical temps to expect for GPU/CPU. 4070 recommends a 650W PSU as minimum so not sure me choosing a 850W is overkill and a 750W would be up to the task. That said a little extra headroom shouldn't be a bad thing. Have absolutely no idea what "dual bios switched mode" is or does. Sounds like witchcraft!
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I dunno if you have sigs turned off? But I have a NZXT C850 850W which is based on the Seasonic Focus Gold platform, it's a very good PSU, with a 10 year warranty, fully modular and has a fanless button too, I've genuinely never heard it, be it with the fan spinning or not, it was literally the same price from memory or a tenner more than the 750w version which I was going to buy, so no harm in doing that :) Nice bit of headroom, plus the more overkill the less likely the fan is to ramp up.
It was stupidly good value at the time last year, IIRC about £130 posted instead of £160, for a fully modular 80+ gold Seasonic Focus Gold in a posh dress with a 10 year warranty, can't loose can you!

My 2nd rig a MITX has an SF750 in, that's fan wont even be audible till something crazy like 3/4's load IIRC - either way I've never heard it, even when I put my head next to it, haha!

Asus 'Dual' branding, means it has a dual bios, when TURNED OFF you literally flip a switch on the side of the gpu - easily accessed when assembled :)
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One bios for quiet mode and one for normal performance, the quiet bios, is ever so slightly underclocking IIRC 100 or 150mhz, and the fans are less aggressive, FWIW I ran it like this for a year and undervolted with an additional slight underclock (as I wanted the fan to basically never turn on and it to run cool/use no power) anyways, the TLDR is I only lost 7fps in the most demanding games of today!

Mental right, and you could just run it in quiet and not undervolt it and overclock it back to stock clocks and run it a slight bit hotter, along with also the ability to adjust the fan profile anyway, so many options for tweaking it to suit your needs :)

These days I just let it do what it likes in the performance mode bios, I don't bother with an undervolt etc anymore neither, the fan ramping up every now and again or on constantly at a sensible decibel is the only thing I can hear in my build, so that's pretty impressive, and it's even 'annoying' or 'loud' you just know it's ramping up/turning on/off when needed due to as I say my case fans and cpu hsf literally barely spinning due to such an airing decent airflow case/decent hsf.
So I spose, you 'have' to hear something, in this case (no pun intended, I'll get my coat!) it's when I'm properly punishing it, FWIW I these days use it for SP gaming via tv/controller and cap fps to 60 to match my 4k tv, and it barely runs the fans, if it does you'd have to not have the volume on to hear it and even then you wouldn't care. Again I could tweak it, but I'm just not bothered and I play with BT earphones for proper immersion these days :)

The TLDR is, it's a nice bonus haha!
 
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DampDog said:
4070 recommends a 650W PSU as minimum so not sure me choosing a 850W is overkill and a 750W would be up to the task. That said a little extra headroom shouldn't be a bad thing.
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Usually the price difference is very small now (like £20-£30), so for the added future utility for upgrades, I don't think a 650 makes sense for gaming builds that aren't on a very tight budget. 750 should cover most builds, though the same issue with the small price difference.
 
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tamzzy said:
i have the matx version (D31) of this case, but without the screen. the screen is a gimmick imo, unless you have a specific need for it

my mini review:
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Cheers for the insight on living with case. I looked at the D31 but whimped out at switching to mATX. Likewise I agree screen appears more gimmick than really useful. (Im mulling over the North and the Meshify 2 compact again) I was just wanted something as compact as possible. Lancool 216 has be suggested but it's getting towards large. Current build is in a Coolermaster CM690 and it been a great case but it's just big on my desk and a bit dated.
If the specs are correct the D41 should take a 360AIO up top. I think the case is only 40 odd mm taller but I guess it's enough to accommodate the larger rads.
 
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