Car theft - is it out of control?

keef247 said:
So you'd run the risk of people being whiling to break into your house and wake you up with a knife to you/your kids/wifes throat? All for a car probably bought on finance/leased, that can easily be replaced via insurance?
And the risk of being done for defending yourself etc thanks to UK law?
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See my post above. If people were regularly willing to break into houses, we’d see car thefts & break-ins left right and centre.

But we don’t.
 
MrRockliffe said:
See my post above. If people were regularly willing to break into houses, we’d see car thefts & break-ins left right and centre.

But we don’t.
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What are you talking about? People are going ape **** over how easy it is to do this and how frequent it's happening, there's loads of videos online of driveway footage of these clowns taking stuff with various devices? Hence why everyone already knows about it and the tech's getting even better/capable of doing it even faster...
 
MrRockliffe said:
See my post above. If people were regularly willing to break into houses, we’d see car thefts & break-ins left right and centre.

But we don’t.
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We do though.

Hell, there was even someone on here, you don't have to look far for examples:

Worthy said:
I didn’t until I bought a Golf R. Then I was burgled 3 times for the keys (well, my neighbour was as it was parked in front of theirs) so I swapped it for a Polo when I moved house. I shy away from cars that are high up the “desirable for thieves” list now. I really want a Range Rover but I also don’t want it on the drive all day inviting thieves in. I’d rather they went next door instead.
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Three burglaries to try and steal a VW Golf ffs.
 
keef247 said:
What are you talking about? People are going ape **** over how easy it is to do this and how frequent it's happening, there's loads of videos online of driveway footage of these clowns taking stuff with various devices? Hence why everyone already knows about it and the tech's getting even better/capable of doing it even faster...
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I don't think you've understood my post.

What I'm saying is that if thieves were equally happy to break into houses to steal a car, then there would be as many thefts as there would be break ins.


I've seldom seen any articles which have highlighted the fact that the thieves broke into the house to get the keys - pretty much everything I see is where the car's keyless entry security has been bypassed.


In the past few years, we've seen an increase in car thefts as a direct result of keyless entry vulnerability (and other security loopholes). A ghost immobiliser stops these from happening.



Kenai said:
We do though.

Hell, there was even someone on here, you don't have to look far for examples:



Three burglaries to try and steal a VW Golf ffs.
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This is one example. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that the majority of examples are unlock and go.





Irrespective, my original post was about how I would personally have one installed. If someone is going to break into my home to steal my car, they're going to do it either way. But they might not steal my car if there's an immobiliser.

This is my opinion and you're completely entitled to have your own.
 
Kenai said:
We do though.

Hell, there was even someone on here, you don't have to look far for examples:



Three burglaries to try and steal a VW Golf ffs.
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A neighbour also had a Golf R messed with a few times. On the final time the guy saw him at it, came out of the house and chinned him, left him laying in the road lol. This isn't even a dodgy area.

No point calling the police these days. Though they did show up eventually (with an ambulance) because a guy was laying in the road...
 
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Nasher said:
A neighbour also had a Golf R messed with a few times. On the final time the guy saw him at it, came out of the house and chinned him, left him laying in the road lol. This isn't even a dodgy area.

No point calling the police these days. Though they did show up eventually (with an ambulance) because a guy was laying in the road...
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Fine when there's one of them, but quite often there seems to be a highly organised gang, with a couple of them just waiting for the owner to come out...
 
when we used to fit cobras we had a system that immobilised the car after 60s from the push on a third handset. we called it anti hijack, my advice was let them take the car but keep the third handset in you pocket.
count three as it drove away and then run like **** the opposite way cause 60 seconds later that motor was stopping and all the sirens and we often fitted multiple units behind bumpers etc would go off like world war 3.
was only told about it being used once and the police found the car 1/2 mile up the m6 from the car jack.

dont understand why modern systems dont have similar. i know it was controversial at the time cause do gooders complained stopping a vehicle without warning could cause a crash , but heyho so be it.
 
MrRockliffe said:
I’ve seen a few videos where thieves give up once they realise it’s not a quick escape.

The idea is to be discreet - if you try to start a car at silly AM, only to realise you then need to get into the house and try to get the code, then it adds sufficient complexity that it may no longer be worth it.



Thieves want easy money. The added complexity drastically increases chances of being caught.


Imagine calling 999 and saying “my car was stolen”

“Okay sir I’ll keep an eye out for it”


Vs

“My car was stolen, they broke into my house and held a knife to my throat”

Much more likely to get a police response. This is what thieves are trying to avoid.



Just think - if thieves couldn’t just get into a car via key replication/bypass, why don’t they just break into every house with a Range Rover?

It’s because they don’t want the complexity and added risk of something going wrong.
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Not just easy money, a lot of cars are stolen to order and shipped abroad. It's a full end-to-end business.
 
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Uther said:
As shown in the post above, these people will kill you for your car. Is a car worth your life?
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i agree it can happen but how is that any different than breaking in to steal your keys. the only alternative is leave your car unlocked with the key on the seat.

I dont know what the answer is... on one hand i dont want to get like America, but on the other hand the police are unable, or unwilling to actually protect us and to punish those stealing when caught to any rate worth a damn (currently criminals are being let out of their sentences early because there are no room in prisons... so much for this government being the party of law and order).

we will hit a tipping point at some point and i fear it may be sooner rather than later where people will start actively protecting them and theirs . of course the law as it stands will have no problem prosecuting those who beat the snot out of a thief and god help them if they kill one.
and in a working society i support that. ideally we should be able to trust the police and the justice system to make such crimes rare due to strong deterrents. but imo there are not strong deterrents at the moment which leads people to feel forced to act on their own.
 
Uther said:
As shown in the post above, these people will kill you for your car. Is a car worth your life?
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So basically just leave your car on the road with the door unlocked and keys in the ignition for maximum safety, got it mate!

keef247 said:
The best deterrent is to own a rotary... It won't start for the owner let alone a thief.
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Thieves would need to carry a spare bottle of oil with them as well!

So here is a thought why don't you guys disconnect your battery and connect it back when you wanna drive it, don't need to pull the battery out just disconnect the wire. It's inconvenient as it adds an extra minute or two when you park your car for the night or w/e but it should stop them from getting in without smashing the windows and popping the bonnet plus you can have a seperate alarm with its own battery go off with the bonnet open. Alternatively take the battery with you, more inconvenient but at least the car is going nowhere without a tow truck
 
Haggisman said:
Are people really so stupid they can't comprehend anything between the 2 extremes of "making it almost impossible to steal the car without your cooperation (e.g. by providing a code)" vs "leaving the car unlocked and the key on the driver's seat"? :confused: :cry:
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of course...... but i still think if you can theoretically make a car theft proof without the key, then NOT doing it because a thief may get angry and take it out on the owner is daft.

push comes to shove if a thief breaks into my home and threatens my life i could still give them the key. however at that point the criminal has just upped the anti considerably so they must really want to steal the car and at that point one would hope even with our broken justice system the police would take it very seriously.

As it stands now a lot of very expensive cars can be stolen using off the shelf parts and following a guide from google (so i am told - i havent tried). this IS closer to leaving your car unlocked with the key in it than the other side of the spectrum imo.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
of course...... but i still think if you can theoretically make a car theft proof without the key, then NOT doing it because a thief may get angry and take it out on the owner is daft.

push comes to shove if a thief breaks into my home and threatens my life i could still give them the key. however at that point the criminal has just upped the anti considerably so they must really want to steal the car and at that point one would hope even with our broken justice system the police would take it very seriously.
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I think these are two seperate issues, one is making your car thief proof and the second is making your house thief proof
 
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