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Isn't this just because your previous car wasn't very powerful and your new one is?
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Isn't this just because your previous car wasn't very powerful and your new one is?
No, looks like it was another Land Rover... https://www.expressandstar.com/news...s-long-delays-on-the-m6-in-the-black-country/
Also, 4 times the BHP should have a pretty good effect at hiding additional mass.
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true enough, tho to get the equivalent power in an ICE car would be way to thirsty and so not really practical for me.
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Tbh I noticed the same with my Zoe, could load it up with 5 big lads and a full boot (or a couple of 100kg of gravel at one point), and very little difference in acceleration!
Braking on the other hand...
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Fox ONLY makes statements to get educated. I wager he is researching EVs for his better half.
Still plug into the same mains wiring…Meanwhile, mobile phones and laptop chargers...
I don't see why the idea that current EV 'chargers' might be superceded in the future is so unbelievable.
The current EV tariffs are a bit of a blunt instrument but work perfectly well while EVs are the minority. The goal is to get us all driving one so when there are 20 odd million (less than half the cars currently on the road) that might potentially start sucking amps once the cheap rate kicks in, is that still going to be viable? Or will the cheap tariffs move to something much smarter and managed from both sides requiring smarter kit?
The current EV tariffs are a bit of a blunt instrument but work perfectly well while EVs are the minority. The goal is to get us all driving one so when there are 20 odd million (less than half the cars currently on the road) that might potentially start sucking amps once the cheap rate kicks in, is that still going to be viable? Or will the cheap tariffs move to something much smarter and managed from both sides requiring smarter kit?
This is what intelligent octopus already is and it supports some current chargers. Also the charger is irrelevant if the car has an API (i.e. Tesla).
This basically.
Also just because Octopus says it’s going to charge in a certain half hour slot (e.g. 11.30-12), it doesn’t mean it will charge for what whole slot. I’ve seen mine click on for 10-15 mins at a time.
Octopus are not the only party in town either, lots of suppliers have competing tariffs like e.g. Ovo Anytime
In my hypothetical future I was talking about plugging your car in when you get home from work, the car says "I need 10kWh by 7am" and somewhere some super trick bit of software manages that request alongside the millions of others and ensures that everyone gets their required fill as cost effectively as possible while managing the load.
AFAIK there isn't anything capable of that right now?
AFAIK there isn't anything capable of that right now?
You tell intelligent octopus how much you want and by when in the app. It sorts out the rest, charging the car when there is the most (cheapest) leccy. It remembers your settings and thus is as you described.
Literally to small 10-15 minute slots.
That's with current charging technology.
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You are describing what currently exists already, either in car or even supported in an old charger like mine which is half a decade old.
Charger change and grid change will arrive with mas uptake of V2X technologies, to the benefit of everyone, rather than a negative.
You’ve literally just described Octopus Intelligent and Ovo Anytime (I’m sure there are others).
These tariffs work on cars up to a decade old (Tesla Model S) and chargers first being installed nearly 5 years ago (e.g. Zappi 2).
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that is *exactly* how it works with intelligent octopus.
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now of course the guts of the chargepoint may change and get more complicated but that won't suddenly make all existing chargepoints obsolete . also let's imagine CCS does do a chademo and die off bringing a new socket..... there are so many CCS cars out there that support won't just stop for them. an adapter will have to be made just like Tesla have done. there is also a chademo to CCS adapter as well, for home charge points it's pretty cheap . admittedly the DC adaptor is pretty pricey but that is because so few need it that hardly anyone bothers with it (economics of scale are not there for it)
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The problem with stuff like Intelligent Octopus can be seen by going to the FAQs on their website and scrolling down to the models of cars currently having issues. Because it is totally dependent on them working with each suppliers apps rather than being a general solution, it will also have problems with scalability and transferability. That said, I don't think the functionality that @lordrobs is talking about would require new charging hardware, and I think stuff like Intelligent Octopus demonstrate why.
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Octopus Kraken is waving.
Imagine having such a negative view of current hardware based on your assumption of products that might be on the future when its actually the now and you use the caveate 'AFAIK'...
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the future of intelligent octopus is probably by controlling the chargepoint not the cars..... that said, just because some cars have really crappy software built into them, that imo should fall on the car manufacturers sorting their mess out.
for instance, one of the cars (at least) to do internal battery checks and what not fires up the whole car using the 12v battery. this puts massive strain on the car battery when involved in intelligent charging as the car is polled at regular intervals........ however other cars manage to do it just by using a few watts from the battery and as such the strain on the 12v is nothing.
the issue with Jaguar and the ipace is apparently just a security issue, Jaguar used to allow 3rd parties access to their car now they dont, however that is not a software issue its a permissions issue and one would expect if it was deemed important enough an agreement would be made which would allow energy companies enough access to charge the car OR create an official jaguar approved app to allow this. I expect Jonnycoupe will know more details, no idea if he is allowed to share however.
but it wont be a flick of a switch and "dumb" chargers are not allowed to work any more anyway. that is just FUD with absolutlely no evidence to support it happening. i mean it is a technical possibility but every single service in the world could technically be blocked but it does not mean they will. I could just as easily say "any ICE car could be made obsolete because it will be illegal to fuel them". I mean its not impossible.......... but it isnt going to happen, they will just be phased out (at least until such a point as there are hardly any left)
What will happen is at some point all new chargepoints will be fully supporting of intelligent charging and so the percentage of those which cant will naturally fizzle out. Those which cant be controlled intelligently will have to be done manually..... and this will likely be done by having really expensive electricity at peak times... if you REALLY want to charge your car from 4pm to 7pm you can.......... but maybe you will be charged £1 a kwh. This will be much easier to do and will annoy less people when we all have either house batteries or bi directional charge points (something which can be done on type 2 chargepoints so no need for a new socket tho isnt really supported on them at the moment)
but if anyone is remotely worried about lack of intelligent charging being an issue then just buy an ohme pro or zappi (tho they dont support bi directional charging).
kraken (or similar) is the future of charging and Octopus are already licencing it out to anyone who wants it.
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OVO ev tarif the closest to - make it so captain - it will put cheap charge in at arbitrary times during the day for the target you specify.
( On the ev all-up loading, think it is the percentage of additional weight that counts on dulled performance&cornering-inertia for both ICE&ev - I've added ~20% with 4 people)