Painting the rear external door

[Mekrel]

The rear door of the house we recently purchased is in need of some TLC. The white paint in areas has cracked and can easily be chipped away.

I have a few questions I wondered people could help with?

1) What's the best method to get the old paint off that isn't easily removed with a scraper? Something like Nitromors? That stuff is horrible, but the only other method I can think is using sandpaper and something like 80 grit?

2) For an external door, is there a no brainer primer to use? I was considering Zinsser Bulls Eye 123 Plus, mainly because I'll want to paint the stained front door at some point which that Zinsser will adhere to

3) Anything else to consider? I'll repaint it the current colour which is white, any exterior top coats that are known not to yellow?

 

[radderfire]

1) Personally I would just sand it.

 

[Participant]

This sounds like a euphemism for anal bleaching.

But anyway, my views are a. pics would be useful and b. Zinsser bin is my go-to primer, because it's shellac based and I've never had any problems with stain bleeding through or grinning, whereas I have had this with water-based primers.

It's expensive but is also thin, so its coverage is excellent. It also dries in around 45 mins. God I love BIN.

 

[Mekrel]

This sounds like a euphemism for anal bleaching.

But anyway, my views are a. pics would be useful and b. Zinsser bin is my go-to primer, because it's shellac based and I've never had any problems with stain bleeding through or grinning, whereas I have had this with water-based primers.

It's expensive but is also thin, so its coverage is excellent. It also dries in around 45 mins. God I love BIN.

Haha, this went through my head and thought I had minimised any euphemism by not referencing 'my rear door'

I was also considering B.I.N but the tin states exterior use is only for spot priming?

I'll get some pictures up tomorrow.

 

[tamzzy]

This sounds like a euphemism for anal bleaching.

I so very nearly spat my drink out

 

[Participant]

I was also considering B.I.N but the tin states exterior use is only for spot priming?

I've used it externally with no problems (so far), but shellac can soften in water over time so if you're concerned then Cover Stain, which is oil based, is also great.

 

[Mekrel]

Pictures of the door in question:



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[Deleted User 298457]

80 grit and then bedec msp

 

[radderfire]

The YouTube search term you need is "how to paint an external door". You will then find many useful videos like this one (for a front door but still relevant):

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Sand paper, decent quality gloss to go over it
It looks pretty neglected so I would hold on for better weather and make sure its dried out before painting

Also, is the bottom soft to your finger nail? You may want some wood hardener on that first or you could be wasting your time!

 

[Mekrel]

80 grit and then bedec msp

Thanks, that bedec stuff looks good considering they're calling out anti flaking and cracking. I was also looking at a Ronseal latex based primer but Amazon reviews on cracking were mixed, although you never know if the reviewers have prepped the surface or used the product correctly.

Sand paper, decent quality gloss to go over it
It looks pretty neglected so I would hold on for better weather and make sure its dried out before painting

Also, is the bottom soft to your finger nail? You may want some wood hardener on that first or you could be wasting your time!

Definitely going to wait until the weather is better, and good point regarding the bottom panel - after taking the pictures I did notice the black staining that could be due to higher water contact.

I believe the house was built early 2000s, and we're the third owners. I don't think the previous people we bought the house from did much upkeep so the paint is 20 years old

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Thanks, that bedec stuff looks good considering they're calling out anti flaking and cracking. I was also looking at a Ronseal latex based primer but Amazon reviews on cracking were mixed, although you never know if the reviewers have prepped the surface or used the product correctly.



Definitely going to wait until the weather is better, and good point regarding the bottom panel - after taking the pictures I did notice the black staining that could be due to higher water contact.

I believe the house was built early 2000s, and we're the third owners. I don't think the previous people we bought the house from did much upkeep so the paint is 20 years old

For the actual MSP stuff? Interesting. I didn't do anything special when I did my windows, and they were in a right state:

Full album here: https://imgur.com/a/HG7JoRV

 

[Mekrel]

For the actual MSP stuff? Interesting. I didn't do anything special when I did my windows, and they were in a right state:

Full album here: https://imgur.com/a/HG7JoRV

Yup, their site states the following benefit. Well they use the term "resistant" to crack/flaking

Use inside or out
Resists flaking and cracking
Retains gloss for longer
Chalks much less
Water-based
No special thinners required (only water)
Low VOC
Microporous & breathable
Alkali resistant
Resists heat up to 80ºC
Quick drying
Non flammable
Cleans up with water
Saves time and money
Recoatable after 4 hours
Can be used over most other old paints
No primer required*
(*unless on mild steel – use BEDEC Metal
Primer, where staining can occur – use BEDEC Stain Block)
No undercoat required

I'll use stain block from Zinsser on the front door that's stained.

 

[Ace Modder]

Get a heat gun and use it to burn off the old paint then a quick sand over to clean it up ready for a re-paint, I'm desperately in need of doing this to my garage door. It's in a terrible condition.
But I've been lazy and putting it off, by doing other smaller jobs instead.

 

[Mekrel]

Well I got this done in the end, it looks really good now but it was an absolute faff.

I went with Sandtex primer and gloss in the end, I would say it produces a great finish but it's a very finicky paint it terms of the conditions it'll dry properly in. Also, bugs were just attracted to the white or the smell of the paint.

What's people opinions on door fixture and fittings? You'll see in the pictures I posted earlier that the handles and escutcheons are brass, and are tarnished. The other half wants to replace with brass but in my opinion it's old fashioned and tarnishes faster than say chrome plated?

 

[tamzzy]

could get gold coloured stainless steel fittings, they should be anti-rust and resistant to tarnish

 

[sparton_SPA]

The YouTube search term you need is "how to paint an external door". You will then find many useful videos like this one (for a front door but still relevant):

This method can be used to close off many threads in this forum !

 

[Hagar]

We have a pathway between a side back door and the garage also with a side door. The previous owners turned this into an enclosed space with doors at each end, quarry tiles below with a glazed roof.

I am now doing up all four doors which have cracking paintwork, slightly rotting frames on the external doors and general sprucing. It will take at least a fortnight full time I estimate.

 

[Mekrel]

could get gold coloured stainless steel fittings, they should be anti-rust and resistant to tarnish

I'll check those out, hopefully solves the easy tarnishing issue but I'm still not a fan of the gold look.

Here's the end of result, sans door hardware.

 

[tamzzy]

@Mekrel

here's how it could look
this is my door's internal side as my door's outer colour is red (the fittings are the same though)

they're the "sweet by ultion" series: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sweet-Ultion-Handle-211mm-Fixings/dp/B09NW7VG9R?th=1