Weird electrics problem in kitchen

glenimp617

glenimp617

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Here's a strange one.

I've been decorating in the kitchen, and on Saturday morning I swapped over our old oven for a new one. The new oven is working well, but over on the other wall one of the sockets has stopped working.

The socket was being used for the tumble dryer, and at first I thought it had either died or the fuse had blown. Dryer works fine in another socket, it's the outlet itself which is dead.

Oven has been wired in as shown below, the switch and fuse for the socket where the tumble dryer is plugged into is shown top left.

any ideas?

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I take it you checked the fuse.
Are there wires that that go from the cooker socket, towards the dryer socket and if so, it may be worth a check in case wires have become loose.
 
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did wiring get disturbed during install - sounds similar to last weeks thread where kitchen cabling was distressed=>earth leak by ill-positioning/rubbing ....
 
aVdub said:
I take it you checked the fuse.
Are there wires that that go from the cooker socket, towards the dryer socket and if so, it may be worth a check in case wires have become loose.
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Yeah, fuses are good. Assume the oven outlet and the switch board are seperate, so unsure if anything has come lose.

Just seems strange the dryer was working fine before I fitted the oven.
 
glenimp617 said:
Yeah, fuses are good. Assume the oven outlet and the switch board are seperate, so unsure if anything has come lose.

Just seems strange the dryer was working fine before I fitted the oven.
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dryer was working fine before I fitted the oven

So at least that narrows it down slightly.

Check the wiring in the oven socket, it is possible that it spurs off to the dryer socket.
 
I wonder if one of those outlets under the hob is wired in to the ring, or the tumble drier is a spur taken directly from the fuse box. Those are the two possibilities I would look at. Either way, a dodgy connection could have been disturbed.
 
SpellowHouse said:
I wonder if one of those outlets under the hob is wired in to the ring, or the tumble drier is a spur taken directly from the fuse box. Those are the two possibilities I would look at. Either way, a dodgy connection could have been disturbed.
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If I go to the main consumer unit and switch off the oven, everything else still works (extractor fan etc). There is a dedicated switch for all kitchen appliances (excl oven) so I think the tumble dryer isn't spured off from behind the oven.

God knows, I'll have to call in an electrician I think.
 
Just undo what you did and see if that fixes it. You've probably pulled the spur out.
 
glenimp617 said:
If I go to the main consumer unit and switch off the oven, everything else still works (extractor fan etc). There is a dedicated switch for all kitchen appliances (excl oven) so I think the tumble dryer isn't spured off from behind the oven.

God knows, I'll have to call in an electrician I think.
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I didn't think that the oven and tumble drier are wired in to the same fuse on in the fuse-box, rather that there is something loose in the ring main that is very close to where you have been working. Either in the fuse box or that group of fused connection points under the hob.
It's even possible the kitchen is not a ring, in which case if there is an issue under the hob it could be the last in the line has become disconnected - the tumble drier.
What size fuse does the kitchen appliances have? That will tell you.
 
SpellowHouse said:
I didn't think that the oven and tumble drier are wired in to the same fuse on in the fuse-box, rather that there is something loose in the ring main that is very close to where you have been working. Either in the fuse box or that group of fused connection points under the hob.
It's even possible the kitchen is not a ring, in which case if there is an issue under the hob it could be the last in the line has become disconnected - the tumble drier.
What size fuse does the kitchen appliances have? That will tell you.
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I've managed to find the information from the original electrician when they wired the house

Circuit No 1 - Oven - 6mm Cable - MCB32
Circuit No 2 - Appliances - 2.5mm Cable - MCB32

The wall outlet where the switches are for the tumble dryer has a 13a fuse in
 
Well, the appliances have a ring fuse but you only mention a single cable. If is just one cable then that's the wrong fuse...but moving on...if it is just one cable, it is also far more prone to failure. If it's not a ring, it means is one dodgy connection and something stops working because there is only one supply for each socket (a ring has two). My guess would be that the socket preceding the tumble drier socket has failed. I still very much suspect there is an issue in one of the connection points under the hob.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Well, the appliances have a ring fuse but you only mention a single cable. If is just one cable then that's the wrong fuse...but moving on...if it is just one cable, it is also far more prone to failure. If it's not a ring, it means is one dodgy connection and something stops working because there is only one supply for each socket (a ring has two). My guess would be that the socket preceding the tumble drier socket has failed. I still very much suspect there is an issue in one of the connection points under the hob.
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Yep or a burnt out lose connection that needs trimming back. Would take a sparks 5 mins
 
aVdub said:
Owner took a turn to live a life in the sun, with camera at completely the wrong time.

Bright clever man, but.........
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I don't follow/watch them a lot but have seen a few things where they clearly market themselves as the high end solution with prices to match. I'm sure I heard of one where it was a 10K rewire or something silly.
 
Well I don't know what the hells going on. I tried switching the dryer on when I got home from work, and now everthings working again.
Just checked the back of the oven anyway, had the faceplates off and there's no way I could have disturbed any cables.

How can an outlet not work for two days, then start working again?

I'm getting an electrician in just to check everything, but all outlets and switch panels are fine from what I can see.
 
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