Has anyone seen Razer's new keyboard feature 'Snap Tap'?

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I know a few of us here have Wooting's keyboards (and Wooting are releasing their own version of this) but I didn't quite realise how insane this could be in certain games.

Is it a form cheating? It's essentially movement macros at keyboard level right?

 
It's for the dev's / anti cheat providers of the games to decide if it's cheating or not, similar to how rapid fire / trigger mods on xbox pads used to be a 'grey area'
 
To me this is less macro/scripting and more just some basic logic on hardware keystroke input. Its still 1 keystroke for 1 action and a slight evolution of Wootings rapid fire/actuation distance.
 
Doesn't seem like macro level cheating to me. Personally I ride the activation point on my mechanical blacks and like the ability to react on the fly - it is a slight compromise in this context but at least for how I game I think the better overall balance, other people's mileage may vary.
 
Rroff said:
Doesn't seem like macro level cheating to me. Personally I ride the activation point on my mechanical blacks and like the ability to react on the fly - it is a slight compromise in this context but at least for how I game I think the better overall balance, other people's mileage may vary.
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Yeah, I do agree.

I tried Wooting's version out yesterday. They've just added a beta firmware update including 'SCOD' which is essentially exactly the same as 'snap tap' and I found that it didn't help me with how I like to play and felt a little 'off'? Probably something I could get used to although it might have also been because of the game I was playing and how I play.
 
I'll be honest and say I'm confused why this is being considered cheating.

It's almost like this 'feature' is fixing the way keyboards should work.
 
Joe Jones said:
I'll be honest and say I'm confused why this is being considered cheating.

It's almost like this 'feature' is fixing the way keyboards should work.
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It can mechanically deactivate input in a way not normally possible which some might consider cheating but I think that is a stretch, it isn't like it is itself inputting something into the game not physically possible such as rapid programmed multiple key sequences.
 
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I've tried the Wooting version on my 60HE and I can see how it would help IF you play games where counterstrafing is a big deal (so CS2/Val). Not going to make any difference in other games.
 
jamief said:
I've tried the Wooting version on my 60HE and I can see how it would help IF you play games where counterstrafing is a big deal (so CS2/Val). Not going to make any difference in other games.
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Dunno about effectiveness in CS, but there are a fair few videos of people showing that Counterstrafing in Val is unnecessary BS, and that you can achieve the exact same with simple strafing and 'jiggling'.
Might be a consideration in games where pixel-level accuracy is the defining factor, but I don't think a peripheral response enhancement or feature like this would generally be any more cheating than something like, say, a dedicated 'Sniping clutch' button that drops the DPS down when held.
 
Apparently there is a way to do the same action using a script/config in CS2. But its not allowed in most leagues/cups.

So then the question is - why is it okay if the same action is built into the hardware?

Its the "pay to win" aspect that is BS. Also it may lead the way for other "hardware mods" - what if tomorrow Razer release some way to achieve perfect Bhops using hardware only. Would that be okay then? How would Valve even police it?

IMO the whole thing shouldnt be allowed and counter strafing should be a skill people have to learn.
 
I tend to disagree, all that Snaptap/SOCD do is prioritise the last input. Null bind scripts being allowed would open up a bit of a can of worms imo. bhopping would be more akin to a macro which is nothing to do with snaptap.
 
jamief said:
I tend to disagree, all that Snaptap/SOCD do is prioritise the last input. Null bind scripts being allowed would open up a bit of a can of worms imo. bhopping would be more akin to a macro which is nothing to do with snaptap.
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What if holding down a key just spams jump faster than any human can scroll a mouse wheel or tap a button - would make hitting a bhop much easier. No macros involved.

The Snaptap thing does the exact same functionally as a null bind script.
 
Other keyboards have it too thayt use magnetic hall switches such as the Kailh Green Hornet on the Melgeek Made68 series etc. Probs be a big feature on many keyboards from here on.
 
Locky said:
not as if they are going to detect it though..
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People are getting kicked from games for it - so yes, they are detecting it.

Even people who arent using it and are just spamming left and right, some of them are getting falsely detected as using it and then getting kicked.
 
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