Spec me a build for 2-2.5k

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Been out the game for ages and last time i ordered the parts i needed to buy another cpu just to flash the mobo and get my purchased cpu working :D

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I'd like to go for a 4080 at least. PC used for gaming and browsing only. Got a 4k projector and 1440 120hz monitor.
 
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This is why i asked! thanks

Not sure what to do i think the pc is not long for this world, heard some very worrying noises from it recently under load. How long would i need to wait for new card etc?
 
How long would i need to wait for new card etc?
Probably the end of the year. RDNA 4 might be sooner than that.

One alternative is to buy a stopgap card like a 4070 non-Super or 7800 XT, which are capable of 1440p pretty comfortably and can be pushed to 4K (especially with upscaling). They're both starting to dip under £450, which isn't bad for the performance.

You can still get a 6800 non-XT for £370 too, which again can handle 4K when pushed.
 
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At £2k most of the parts select themselves (7800X3D, 64Gb ram, 2Tb SSD etc), the only decision is between which video card you to go with namely the 7900 XTX or a RTX 4080 Super. The 7900 XTX is a bit faster at traditional raster but applying Ray Tracing the 4080 Super is a good 25% stronger at 4k plus you have access to DLSS upscaling.
 
It’s not a great time to buy a 4080 as it’s meant to soon be replaced and is pretty poor value.
Me: someone who just bought a 4080 Super last month

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Me: someone who just bought a 4080 Super last month

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Don't feel bad I got one last week, for one the new cards are not here, two they might cost more, 3 I might no be here when they come, life is to short to wait for the next best thing but I can understand why people just wait.
 
Don't feel bad I got one last week, for one the new cards are not here, two they might cost more, 3 I might no be here when they come, life is to short to wait for the next best thing but I can understand why people just wait.
Yeah totally agree with you. Who knows how much the cards may be as you said and I'm mindful that I'd always be waiting for "the next one". I had a GTX 1070 before so regardless I've had a huge upgrade and I'm really enjoying my new build :)
 
Yeah totally agree with you. Who knows how much the cards may be as you said and I'm mindful that I'd always be waiting for "the next one". I had a GTX 1070 before so regardless I've had a huge upgrade and I'm really enjoying my new build :)
Same as me :)
 
At £2k most of the parts select themselves (7800X3D, 64Gb ram, 2Tb SSD etc), the only decision is between which video card you to go with namely the 7900 XTX or a RTX 4080 Super. The 7900 XTX is a bit faster at traditional raster but applying Ray Tracing the 4080 Super is a good 25% stronger at 4k plus you have access to DLSS upscaling.
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agreed, except I don't agree with 64gb ram...for gaming, waste on money imo.

below a good article which came out a week ago and sums it up....game with most ram useage they found is Hogwarts which uses 22gb, so there's still a 10gb buffer now...so still loads of future room for later games..by time you need more than 32gb, ram will be faster so you'll probably want to change anyway

Very open to being persuaded otherwise so if I'm missing something, please tell...i just don't see it at the mo, so why spend the extra £100...there was 1 game a couple years ago someone mentioned, but can't remember name, where everything was modded in it, and because of that it used more than 32gb...but that's an outlier, and those that play it know it, and obv buy accordingling, but if you're general gamer....I don't know

if pc is dual purpose and use for work that requires high ram useage, then ok..my work pc been upgraded from 32 to 64 as i was pushing limits of 32

maybe I should start a new thread as going off topic here..generally interested in convo and answers... :cry: don't be too convincing though and make me want to upgrade my home rig

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Very open to being persuaded otherwise so if I'm missing something, please tell...i just don't see it at the mo, so why spend the extra £100...there was 1 game a couple years ago someone mentioned, but can't remember name, where everything was modded in it, and because of that it used more than 32gb...but that's an outlier, and those that play it know it, and obv buy accordingling, but if you're general gamer....I don't know

if pc is dual purpose and use for work that requires high ram useage, then ok..my work pc been upgraded from 32 to 64 as i was pushing limits of 32

maybe I should start a new thread as going off topic here..generally interested in convo and answers... :cry: don't be too convincing though and make me want to upgrade my home rig
In the build I did in this thread, within the 2K budget we could fit a 7800X3D and 4080 Super, alongside a decent case, PSU and a 2TB SSD. So, for this build, I have no issue going with 64GB of memory. In the longer-term games will start pushing higher amounts of RAM and it gives you some headroom for multitasking (a lot of gamers leave browsers open and other apps) and for Windows to build a cache of frequently opened stuff.

On the other hand, if the budget was 1K or 1K5, I would not normally suggest it, because the £100 can be better spent elsewhere.
 
In the build I did in this thread, within the 2K budget we could fit a 7800X3D and 4080 Super, alongside a decent case, PSU and a 2TB SSD. So, for this build, I have no issue going with 64GB of memory. In the longer-term games will start pushing higher amounts of RAM and it gives you some headroom for multitasking (a lot of gamers leave browsers open and other apps) and for Windows to build a cache of frequently opened stuff.

On the other hand, if the budget was 1K or 1K5, I would not normally suggest it, because the £100 can be better spent elsewhere.
I think you'll be waiting a long time for games to push above 32gb ram..just look at list in artictle. Hogwarts is only game that uses more than 20gb, so even with that game there's 30% ram unused. Jedi Survivor a new power hungry game with 18.8, so only uses 59% of the ram...starfield at 17gb, cyberpunk 14gb...just looked at star wars outlaws as thats a newly released game and that uses 15gb ram...it's going to be a long time before games come anywhere close to 32gb I reckon
The article does go into background tasks etc, saying using discord while playing(0.4-0.5gb) and watching a 4k stream on yt at same time(1.2-1.5gb), with chrome..so max useage outside game could be 2gb...so stil lots of leeway...
anyway, just my view. I get your view, i just think might be a bit optimistic with timescale :cry: though who knows
I'd spend money getting better ssd. sn770 has an endurance of 600tbw...for £120 the s70 blade is faster with a 1500tbw endurance, or if at ocuk you'd have to go to something like the lexar nm790 or sn850x. faster with at least double endurance or more. or better yet, getting something like the 1tb nm790 for £60 as the windows drive and getting a 2tb or 4tb drive(if you really want to spend as games drive, photo library etc...when replacing/upgrading pc in future, I'd be taking my m.2's with me if they were good..esp if they have great endurance..they'll outlast the current pc and just unscrewing the ssd and putting in a new pc is blooming appealing to me...also if you need to reinstal windows you don't loose your gaming library etc

@Ste59w a 2-2.5 budget is nice and healthy, but at this price there are so may possibilities. Do you want a pc that's more traditional looking, just a box, and performance is all you care about, or more aquarium type with rgb etc? is it going to be sitting under your desk, or at side..the look of the pc can have a major impact on price, esp when factoring a lot of fans if you want to go that way...and a lot of people do
also at £2.5, you're just shy of going full in and being able to squeeze a 4090 in build...if you're ever thinking going 4k gaming or just want the best as not upgrading for next 4/5 years ( he says hopefully ), the 4090 is really the only card that has a massive uplift compared to the others

Personally, if you're sticking 1440 gaming, I'd go 4070S level max with new cards on the horizon...you're going to get a lot of fps at 1440 anyway, it has dlss wich will give you more if you want, and yes, I'd turn that on as in quality mode you wont see a difference in visual) and then keep the spare cash in the piggy bank. When the new cards come out and you're really unhappy with it, then swap.. You'll loose a lot less selling a £550 card then a £1k card if new cards are a big jump in performance again
 
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I think you'll be waiting a long time for games to push above 32gb ram..just look at list in artictle. Hogwarts is only game that uses more than 20gb, so even with that game there's 30% ram unused. Jedi Survivor a new power hungry game with 18.8, so only uses 59% of the ram...starfield at 17gb, cyberpunk 14gb...just looked at star wars outlaws as thats a newly released game and that uses 15gb ram...it's going to be a long time before games come anywhere close to 32gb I reckon
I see it differently. I see those trends of approaching 20GB as an indicator that 32GB is being saturated, because you ideally don't want a situation where you have to load/unload memory when you enter or quit the game. Memory usage also tends to climb over time while you play and long sessions in buggy new games can be prone to memory leaks.

The article does go into background tasks etc, saying using discord while playing(0.4-0.5gb) and watching a 4k stream on yt at same time(1.2-1.5gb), with chrome..so max useage outside game could be 2gb...so stil lots of leeway...
anyway, just my view. I get your view, i just think might be a bit optimistic with timescale :cry: though who knows
That part of their article I consider rather silly, suggesting you add just 2GB is unrealistic unless you literally just open a browser, watch a video and close it.

I'm doing nothing on my work PC except looking at OCUK right now and Chrome is using 6.5GB and my 32GB of memory has 15GB in use. 13GB is cached, 4GB is free.

If I look at the numbers of their article as realistic for a test bench or a gaming PC that is started once a day, plays a game or two and just checks their emails, then I'd have the same conclusion that 32GB will be fine for awhile.

For a high-end 2K PC though, I'd get 64GB as I think the optimal time for recommending 32GB will be over within the next 4-5 years. It is the baseline for a new build now.

I'd spend money getting better ssd. sn770 has an endurance of 600tbw...for £120 the s70 blade is faster with a 1500tbw endurance, or if at ocuk you'd have to go to something like the lexar nm790 or sn850x. faster with at least double endurance or more.
The SN770 is 1200 in 2TB capacity, which is the same rated endurance as the SN850X. I'm not keen on recommending the Lexar, because it uses YMTC NAND and I don't (maybe mistakenly) consider that proven yet.

Edit: another point that influences my thinking is that in the article they say how with AM4/DDR4 you could just add another 16GB or get a replacement 32GB kit. Right now, that's not true with DDR5 because they seem to hate running 4 sticks and I don't know how long it will take for DDR5 to be that cheap (maybe when 64GB dual rank modules are widespread). So, when I suggest getting 64GB, I'm thinking of keeping it for the long-term and skipping the addition of more memory that we could do with DDR4 (my 4 slot DDR4 PCs have been upgraded to 3 or 4 sticks, but I'm not expecting to do that with DDR5).
 
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Plenty of games can use well over 32gb of RAM already, although they're usually heavily modded titles such as Cities Skylines and a few others. If the budget allows I personally wouldn't have an issue with bumping up to 48/64gb given the small increase in cost.
 
I see it differently. I see those trends of approaching 20GB as an indicator that 32GB is being saturated, because you ideally don't want a situation where you have to load/unload memory when you enter or quit the game. Memory usage also tends to climb over time while you play and long sessions in buggy new games can be prone to memory leaks.


That part of their article I consider rather silly, suggesting you add just 2GB is unrealistic unless you literally just open a browser, watch a video and close it.

I'm doing nothing on my work PC except looking at OCUK right now and Chrome is using 6.5GB and my 32GB of memory has 15GB in use. 13GB is cached, 4GB is free.

If I look at the numbers of their article as realistic for a test bench or a gaming PC that is started once a day, plays a game or two and just checks their emails, then I'd have the same conclusion that 32GB will be fine for awhile.

For a high-end 2K PC though, I'd get 64GB as I think the optimal time for recommending 32GB will be over within the next 4-5 years. It is the baseline for a new build now.


The SN770 is 1200 in 2TB capacity, which is the same rated endurance as the SN850X. I'm not keen on recommending the Lexar, because it uses YMTC NAND and I don't (maybe mistakenly) consider that proven yet.

Edit: another point that influences my thinking is that in the article they say how with AM4/DDR4 you could just add another 16GB or get a replacement 32GB kit. Right now, that's not true with DDR5 because they seem to hate running 4 sticks and I don't know how long it will take for DDR5 to be that cheap (maybe when 64GB dual rank modules are widespread). So, when I suggest getting 64GB, I'm thinking of keeping it for the long-term and skipping the addition of more memory that we could do with DDR4 (my 4 slot DDR4 PCs have been upgraded to 3 or 4 sticks, but I'm not expecting to do that with DDR5).
nice spot on the 600tbw endurance..mixed that with the 1tb version...at1200 is same as sn850x 2tb, which i have..it's quite an old ssd though, and normally costs more than the nm790...i normally say the s70 blade at £120 but that's not available here on ocuk...but I think the nand been out long enough any problems with failing drives would have come out by now, which is not the case
regarding the ram memory though, scrolling through web pages aways fills up ram..if it's available it's used..just like multiple pages on phone memory when they do the test..when ram gets filled from going to program to program and then they go pack to the webpage, the ram has overwritten it as it wasn't in use, so it just refreshes ...how I view it when playing a game...all those pages stuck in ram will just get wiped if needed for the game as they're not in use..tabs will still be there when you come out and page will just refresh.
I don't know..living away from home for work so my sunday generally spent gaming.I'll go all day no problem, and I don't shut down my webbrowsers etc..have 2 gmails, one for home, one for here abroad, multiple pages open in 2 sets of tabs, uk and here. Only time I'll have issue, it's more likely the 8gb of vram on the 3070ti while gaming at 4k..and only Flight sim has ever gone over 20gb use with me. 2024FS might be interesting..looking forward to trying that. but in meantime, with my gaming, i don't see anything that needs 32gb. i think by the time we do, as said, ram will be a lot faster, so if you're a high end gamer, you'll prob sell what you have and buy new faster ram, or we'll be on ddr6.
so many variables though..just reading today, 5090 is now rated at 600w and 5080 will be 450w...by the time you add other stuff and fact a psu can last 10yrs+, I'd consider getting at least a 1000w psu now for a high end gamer..he'll be upgrading his gpu/rig at some point and the psu will still be good for next.nice same article saying 5080 will be 1.1x perfomance of the 4090..if they keep the price the same as a 4080super, that will sell
get the can't buy more sticks though. ddr5 doesn't work with 4, or not well. just if all you're doing is gaming, and playing a selection of AAA or some older stuff, 32gb is enough. £2k can go fast if you start getting higher end parts, esp if you want to do cosmetics, which obv a lot of people do too( I am guilty :cry:, but at least i stuck to air cooler this time on my 7800x3d)
@Gray2233 so I've been trying to find games...City skylines and DCM (digital combat Simulator) are the 2 that can do with more ram..specific and anyone playing these games know they require a lot and buys accordingly...what others? I've been looking but no blooming webpage actually lists any games that requires more, or even says how much current games use. It's a frustrating search. Would be nice if there was a list of say top 50 games on steam etc, listing there ram useage at max settings, 4k (which i'm guessing would be the most use case)..would give a better understanding on which games use what
 
@Gray2233 so I've been trying to find games...City skylines and DCM (digital combat Simulator) are the 2 that can do with more ram..specific and anyone playing these games know they require a lot and buys accordingly...what others? I've been looking but no blooming webpage actually lists any games that requires more, or even says how much current games use. It's a frustrating search. Would be nice if there was a list of say top 50 games on steam etc, listing there ram useage at max settings, 4k (which i'm guessing would be the most use case)..would give a better understanding on which games use what

It's difficult to really give a list as it is a bit of a niche use case, it's very often sims, survival type games, or city builders where you can load up on a lot of mods or there's a ton of potential asset generation. I think Ark can become pretty nuts, MSFS used to be capable of using bucket loads in certain situations too but I've no idea if that remains true. That said, RAM is so cheap at the moment I think springing for the extra is worth it if only for the sake of future proofing a little while considering the problems with running more than two sticks of DDR5. You're only looking at an extra £30-40 to bump up to 48-65gb, in fact there's actually some 48gb sets on pre-order at the moment for £80:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £159.98 (includes delivery: £0.00)​
 
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