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dlockers said:
I think the MG4 is an impossible prospect to overlook if you are looking for a hatch. It is insane value for money -- I am trying to find a car that works as a main family car though; so the E43 just becomes exclusive to work trips where I can get 45p/mile. This is what made the Model Y really compelling - but the £2k extra cost would become £2k+£800 or £2k+£380x3.
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Have you ruled out the ID7 then? For some reason I thought you were keen on that (as I still am) :confused:
 
arty said:
Have you ruled out the ID7 then? For some reason I thought you were keen on that (as I still am) :confused:
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ID 7 is great for the price but I would still says it’s quite underwhelming coming from a 3 series.


It feels like Mk 7.5 Golf level build quality which is fine. Lots and lots of rattles though on the interior.



Option wise, there’s nothing else you need. Standard sound system is good enough for a lease and is better than the B&O system I’ve had in an S5.
 
Im 4k miles in, and the ID7 is pretty much superior to the 330e saloon i had in every way bar 2. My only complaint was the poor app, other than that as a family chariot for trundling motorways, it just works. Build quality for me has been better than the G20. Dynamically the 330e was better, and this is where the I4 is good, but none of them are track beasts.

Oddly i think the audio is poor, mines got the HK and its just meh:p. The pan roof option is pointless for the driver, only the rear passengers enjoy it.
 
arty said:
Have you ruled out the ID7 then? For some reason I thought you were keen on that (as I still am) :confused:
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ID7 was the previous plan where I was getting TWO electric vehicles. The plan previously was to swap out the E43 and put the cash in the bank. That was put to sleep when my firm said one car only.

ID7 is too big for my wife to drive.
 
Just home from testing the ID7 (which I'm comparing against an ID Buzz), I think VW have really sorted the suspension out it's a really comfortable cruiser. Much more settled than a Model Y I have to say although don't know where it lands on the price range you set out.

Maybe a sal sac ID7 plus a cheap used MG4 is the answer?
 
chanjy said:
Just home from testing the ID7 (which I'm comparing against an ID Buzz), I think VW have really sorted the suspension out it's a really comfortable cruiser. Much more settled than a Model Y I have to say although don't know where it lands on the price range you set out.

Maybe a sal sac ID7 plus a cheap used MG4 is the answer?
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Part of the upside of the "negative" news about not being allowed the ID7 is I really love my petrol mini-beast. And whilst work subsidise petrol at 45p, and there is nothing "fun" in shooting distance from a cost perspective, I am just not grown up enough yet for dual EV.

I was thinking if I get my wife a Model Y that means I can get something fun e.g. Mini Cooper S, Porsche, something like that.

Agree tho - the most sensible/boring plan of attack would be ID7 tourer and a used MG4/Zoe/Kona.
 
chanjy said:
Just home from testing the ID7 (which I'm comparing against an ID Buzz), I think VW have really sorted the suspension out it's a really comfortable cruiser. Much more settled than a Model Y I have to say although don't know where it lands on the price range you set out.

Maybe a sal sac ID7 plus a cheap used MG4 is the answer?
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Was the ID 7 running adaptive dampers do you know?


I find mine incredibly fidgety - it never stops moving on any road.
 
dlockers said:
ID7 was the previous plan where I was getting TWO electric vehicles. The plan previously was to swap out the E43 and put the cash in the bank. That was put to sleep when my firm said one car only.

ID7 is too big for my wife to drive.
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Fair enough. I'm used to a mid-sized estate already so when I had a look at an ID7 it seemed fairly cosy to me :p
 
dlockers said:
Really? It felt huge when I sat in it at dealer (compared to E43).
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Yep, I felt quite snug in the driver's seat, but I've only been in the saloon, not the estate. It definitely seemed smaller than my dad's old 5-series, at least in the front.
 
dlockers said:
We need two cars as I work away a lot - you are right though. Or I could cash-in in the E43 for £25k and just run the Tesla.


The issue is the boot - I don't think I'll be able to get the buggy flat without moving the seats, which with two child chairs is impossible. The Pug is like a glove w.r.t to the buggy; any smaller and I am in real pain.
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just before I bought the MG4 I took one of my guitar combo's and a cable bag to see if they fitted in the boot - they did.
Take your buggies and ask.
 
The DCC is really good in my experience. Sports sharpens the car up and the comfort is soft and comfy. Gives me old Volvo vibes it’s not getting you moist as any sporty petrol would but it’s definitely more than an electric Passat.
 
dlockers said:
I was thinking if I get my wife a Model Y that means I can get something fun e.g. Mini Cooper S, Porsche, something like that.
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is Y much smaller for her than an ID7 though ... modern cars have upsized versus their cosy predecessors, like their occupants - todays g20 like yesterdays 5

MrRockliffe said:
I find mine incredibly fidgety - it never stops moving on any road.
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had you test driven much .. easy to get too enthusiastic during test drive (my cognitive dissonance for getting an audi not bmw, & not driving on windy roads will have to be resolved when I get it from garage)
I was only looking at ID3's with small wheels to help it's non-adaptive ride / run-flats don't help.
 
jpaul said:
is Y much smaller for her than an ID7 though ... modern cars have upsized versus their cosy predecessors, like their occupants - todays g20 like yesterdays 5
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I am doing relative calcs to the Pug - the length is at the max on the Y and the ID7 is +21 again. That's 66cm longer than the Pug. Just too long to safely swing into places and park. The biggest concern I have with the Y is size, so yes ID7 is way too big. Width is in its favour though.

Edit: Model Y is only 2.6cm less width than a bladdy X5. The thing is a tank. An XC90 is thinner!
 
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jpaul said:
is Y much smaller for her than an ID7 though ... modern cars have upsized versus their cosy predecessors, like their occupants - todays g20 like yesterdays 5


had you test driven much .. easy to get too enthusiastic during test drive (my cognitive dissonance for getting an audi not bmw, & not driving on windy roads will have to be resolved when I get it from garage)
I was only looking at ID3's with small wheels to help it's non-adaptive ride / run-flats don't help.
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I drove an ID 7 once for 30 minutes before getting one. I found it fidgety as well


It's not terrible as the relative wheel size is quite small, so it feels relatively compliant over bumps. Softer than the BMW I had.


But in terms of how it settles on the road, it's very jittery, where the BMW was very smooth and settled.
 
MrRockliffe said:
Was the ID 7 running adaptive dampers do you know?


I find mine incredibly fidgety - it never stops moving on any road.
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That's interesting, no idea unfortunately. It just felt very settled and good over bumps so not sure why it's so different.

dlockers said:
Really? It felt huge when I sat in it at dealer (compared to E43).
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I think they are similar lengths so there shouldn't be any shock moving from an E class to the ID7
 
chanjy said:
I think they are similar lengths so there shouldn't be any shock moving from an E class to the ID7
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I think the ID 7 is about 10-15cm longer than an E class, but it seemingly has a short bonnet too.


Best way to tell is that when looking at an ID 7, the 19 inch alloys look dwarfed by the amount of material around them. The E class, not so much.



ID 7 is very bus like and feels massive on the road.
 
chanjy said:
I think they are similar lengths so there shouldn't be any shock moving from an E class to the ID7
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Yeah I'd have no problems - I just didn't find it a small snug car like you said. It felt massive compared to the E43. The reason it is a non starter for my new use case is it's just too big for my wife.
 
dlockers said:
Yeah I'd have no problems - I just didn't find it a small snug car like you said. It felt massive compared to the E43. The reason it is a non starter for my new use case is it's just too big for my wife.
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My wife thought the ID4 was massive compared to the MG4, the ID7 looks huge.
She sat in the ID4 and didn't feel right.
 
I had a poke around an id7 while my mg4 was in getting "serviced"

It had a the feel of a "big" car to sit in in a way that an id4 or Tesla Y does not. Probably height or lack of height of seat to length perspective more than anything, tbh i really liked it just from sitting in the thing for a few minutes as a potential family wagon, but for someone who is nervous about relatively large cars I can see the hesitation
 
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