amd or nvidia for BO6?

[SilentGameTestR]

Hello,

So this was one of the games i tested, but i no longer have any graphics cards apart from a 710, but when i tested the 970/1070ti against the rx 480 be it 1080p or higher and mix settings, the radeon performed worse. I just couldnt get the game to match what the 970 was offering.

So im looking for my next trial cards plus a keeper, however im curious which team to go with going by my own experiences as im not sure if it was just the versions i had or BO6 is one of those games that favour red or green more.

Cheers

 

[Tetras]

What kind of age of cards are you looking at?

I really wouldn't have a clue with older cards because it is hard to predict how old architectures and old drivers will respond to newer games.

Performance reviews like this can give you an idea with new ones:

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Performance Benchmark Review - AMD FTW

Call of Duty Black Ops 6 comes with a highly entertaining single-player campaign that feels like a James Bond movie. Graphics are good, too, with very high production value. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality, VRAM consumption, and how it runs across a range of...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[SilentGameTestR]

What kind of age of cards are you looking at?

I really wouldn't have a clue with older cards because it is hard to predict how old architectures and old drivers will respond to newer games.

Performance reviews like this can give you an idea with new ones:

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Performance Benchmark Review - AMD FTW

Call of Duty Black Ops 6 comes with a highly entertaining single-player campaign that feels like a James Bond movie. Graphics are good, too, with very high production value. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality, VRAM consumption, and how it runs across a range of...

www.techpowerup.com

well no older than what i had really as they supported the latest drivers, but equally ones that are guaranteed to support whenever the next driver comes out.

So the 980 i mentioned in a previous thread, but for testing purposes only which would be the oldest nvidia or rx 580 from amd. for keeps then anything from an rtx 2060 or ideally anything with over 8gb vram as i said aswell it would be something to last awhile. Or whatever amd is offering thats a near direct competition. So nothing specific.

I dont recon it was the drivers as they are the latest and i know the 480 is able to use all its vram and use it better than the 970, but i ended having to use the pre-select recommended performance settings for the rx to make it playable. This is gaming in multiplayer though, so i dont know if theres much difference between that & campaign other than bandwidth use. It just seemed the game was favouring the green team.

 

[Tetras]

I dont recon it was the drivers as they are the latest and i know the 480 is able to use all its vram and use it better than the 970, but i ended having to use the pre-select recommended performance settings for the rx to make it playable.

I don't think AMD are actively optimising their drivers for Polaris cards anymore, that likely stopped years ago, but they might fix game breaking bugs or patch security holes.

The game developers are unlikely to do much work on these cards either, probably just make sure they load the game and can play it.

anything from an rtx 2060 or ideally anything with over 8gb vram as i said aswell it would be something to last awhile. Or whatever amd is offering thats a near direct competition. So nothing specific.

Based on TPU's testing, the RX 6600 does pretty well and even beats the 3060 12GB, so that's the cheapest new card I'd consider for longer-term gaming. They're faster than a 2060, but not by a lot and are roughly comparable to a 5700 non-XT or a GTX 1080. I wouldn't assume that the RX 6600 will perform poorly based on the RX 480 because it is much newer, will have had meaningful driver support for longer and is a different architecture.

The next step up I'd look at (again, new) would be a 7700 XT for ~£300 (they were around that during the deals awhile back) which performs very well in TPU's BO6 tests for the money, even beating the 4070 (does lose to the Super).

 

[Michael Durrant]

activition is in partnership with amd so it be optimised for amd cards

 

[Michael Durrant]

Hello,

So this was one of the games i tested, but i no longer have any graphics cards apart from a 710, but when i tested the 970/1070ti against the rx 480 be it 1080p or higher and mix settings, the radeon performed worse. I just couldnt get the game to match what the 970 was offering.

So im looking for my next trial cards plus a keeper, however im curious which team to go with going by my own experiences as im not sure if it was just the versions i had or BO6 is one of those games that favour red or green more.

Cheers

what other specs is your pc.

 

[Poneros]

Radeon is no longer faster than GeForce

The Call of Duty benchmarks show several anomalies. For example, AMD has completely lost its usual COD strength. In Modern Warfare 3, the Radeon RX 7900 XTX delivers 32 percent more FPS in Ultra HD than the GeForce RTX 4080 Super, but in Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 the Radeon is 3 percent slower. This is the case across all performance classes and generations. AMD and Nvidia graphics cards are comparably good in COD: BO6, although there are slight advantages for the GeForce models in the current generation.

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 im Benchmark-Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 im Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM / Das Testsystem und die Benchmark-Szene

www.computerbase.de

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 im Benchmark-Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 im Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM / Das Testsystem und die Benchmark-Szene

www.computerbase.de

The 20-second test sequence takes place in the campaign in the “Blood Feud” level. The sequence shows a march through a food court, so several smaller shops and numerous details can be seen. There are also many reflections and a little vegetation. The test sequence is more demanding than average, but there are a few scenes in the course of the game that have slightly lower frame rates.

Is this single player or multi player though? It was in multi player AMD was ahead. GameGPU, Techpowerup and OC3D shows AMD ahead still:

https://en.gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/call-of-duty-black-ops-6-test-gpu-cpu

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Performance Benchmark Review - AMD FTW

Call of Duty Black Ops 6 comes with a highly entertaining single-player campaign that feels like a James Bond movie. Graphics are good, too, with very high production value. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality, VRAM consumption, and how it runs across a range of...

www.techpowerup.com

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 PC Performance Review - OC3D

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 is here, and it has issues on PC. Activision needs to do better, and quickly needs to address upscaler support.

overclock3d.net

The Computerbase results are a bit odd. The other reviews have the 7900GRE ahead of an RX7800XT,but it is significantly slower in this case.

Moreover, the AMD cards are cheaper. The 7900XT has been below £600 recently and the RX7800XT below £400, and the RX6750XT below £300. Looking at an average of the four reviews the AMD cards are still price for price faster. That is also assuming you have a decent CPU too - if you don't the AMD cards still seem to have the edge in certain scenarios.

 

[Poneros]

Is this single player or multi player though? It was in multi player AMD was ahead. GameGPU, Techpowerup and OC3D shows AMD ahead still:

The Computerbase results are a bit odd. The other reviews have the 7900GRE ahead of an RX7800XT,but it is significantly slower in this case.

Moreover, the AMD cards are cheaper. The 7900XT has been below £600 recently and the RX7800XT below £400, and the RX6750XT below £300. Looking at an average of the four reviews the AMD cards are still price for price faster. That is also assuming you have a decent CPU too - if you don't the AMD cards still seem to have the edge in certain scenarios.

Good point.

The 20-second test sequence takes place in the campaign in the “Blood Feud” level. The sequence shows a march through a food court, so several smaller shops and numerous details can be seen. There are also many reflections and a little vegetation. The test sequence is more demanding than average, but there are a few scenes in the course of the game that have slightly lower frame rates.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

I don't think AMD are actively optimising their drivers for Polaris cards anymore, that likely stopped years ago, but they might fix game breaking bugs or patch security holes.

The game developers are unlikely to do much work on these cards either, probably just make sure they load the game and can play it.


Based on TPU's testing, the RX 6600 does pretty well and even beats the 3060 12GB, so that's the cheapest new card I'd consider for longer-term gaming. They're faster than a 2060, but not by a lot and are roughly comparable to a 5700 non-XT or a GTX 1080. I wouldn't assume that the RX 6600 will perform poorly based on the RX 480 because it is much newer, will have had meaningful driver support for longer and is a different architecture.

The next step up I'd look at (again, new) would be a 7700 XT for ~£300 (they were around that during the deals awhile back) which performs very well in TPU's BO6 tests for the money, even beating the 4070 (does lose to the Super).

Ok thank you, i will look in to those cards.

Im going to get myself a 570 or 580 for the tests and see if it was just the version of 480 i had or i was just unlucky at that moment as it was the only amd card i owned, so only had to replace nvidia drivers one time.

In theory playing in on series S the game should work well with amd desktop cards despite different ports(if they even are). Im yet to determine if the issue was all gpu or the fact i was using 1st & 2nd gen ryzen processors as well.

what other specs is your pc.

So the 2 systems that were my test bench systems consisted of:

ryzen 1600 & ryzen 2600
a320 for both and same models
16gb 3000mhz vengeance & 16gb 3600mhz vipers( both limited to what the board would accept though).
128gb & 256gb m.2 boot drives
2 x 512gb 2.5 ssds for the games
700w 80 bronze psu
windows 10

latest possible bios/drivers.

These will be replaced with a 9th-12th gen intel system once ive decided, but i am completing my 5900x build which all i need now is a gpu which as my personal will probably be what id stick with as my only system once ive finished with the intel.

So for that the system will be:

5900x
a520m gigabyte
16gb 3600mhz viper
mag 650w gold
windows 10 or maybe 11

plus whatever gpu i end up going with.

I play BO6 on xbox mostly, but i want the computer to be able to play it still and at 1440p high/max settings. With how well it plays on series S, i was expecting the rx 480 as old as it is to do a bit of a better job than i got.

 

[Tetras]

Ok thank you, i will look in to those cards.

Im going to get myself a 570 or 580 for the tests and see if it was just the version of 480 i had or i was just unlucky at that moment as it was the only amd card i owned, so only had to replace nvidia drivers one time.

In theory playing in on series S the game should work well with amd desktop cards despite different ports(if they even are). Im yet to determine if the issue was all gpu or the fact i was using 1st & 2nd gen ryzen processors as well.

The RX 570/580 are basically the same architecture as the RX 470/480 (it was a minor refresh), so if the problem is the driver support and/or outdated architecture on your Polaris card then it likely won't work any different.

The architecture was not changed until the introduction of RDNA, which was released with the RX 5000 cards.

In regards to the Series S, again this is not the same architecture as the Polaris-based RX 480, so it being AMD too isn't really relevant in this case.

So far as I know, the Series S uses RDNA 2 (like the RX 6000 cards), which is probably around a 5500/6500 XT, though with games being optimised specifically for the console then the actual performance is likely higher than the raw specs suggest.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

The RX 570/580 are basically the same architecture as the RX 470/480 (it was a minor refresh), so if the problem is the driver support and/or outdated architecture on your Polaris card then it likely won't work any different.

The architecture was not changed until the introduction of RDNA, which was released with the RX 5000 cards.

In regards to the Series S, again this is not the same architecture as the Polaris-based RX 480, so it being AMD too isn't really relevant in this case.

So far as I know, the Series S uses RDNA 2 (like the RX 6000 cards), which is probably around a 5500/6500 XT, though with games being optimised specifically for the console then the actual performance is likely higher than the raw specs suggest.

ah yeah of course. my first rx card was a 570 ages ago. forgot they were just rebrands with minor differences. So i will need a rx 5000 series gpu to put that theory to the test then. Would the rx 5500 be a good shout or would i need to aim higher for the tests?

Oh yeah i figured the console versions would be different in some ways for the nature of their purpose, just figured the tech as old as the 400 series would surpass still with the fact gaming pcs are meant to be better.

 

[Tetras]

Oh yeah i figured the console versions would be different in some ways for the nature of their purpose, just figured the tech as old as the 400 series would surpass still with the fact gaming pcs are meant to be better.

That was true with the old Xbox, the hardware in that was kind of poo (especially near the end of the useful life), but the latest consoles are pretty powerful in comparison.

So i will need a rx 5000 series gpu to put that theory to the test then.

Yup, I'm not sure a 570/580 would tell you anything (unless it works better because you had a bad card, I guess).

Would the rx 5500 be a good shout or would i need to aim higher for the tests?

I mean..., I suppose? They're not great cards nowadays, but what are you wanting to compare exactly?

 

[Michael Durrant]

Ok thank you, i will look in to those cards.

Im going to get myself a 570 or 580 for the tests and see if it was just the version of 480 i had or i was just unlucky at that moment as it was the only amd card i owned, so only had to replace nvidia drivers one time.

In theory playing in on series S the game should work well with amd desktop cards despite different ports(if they even are). Im yet to determine if the issue was all gpu or the fact i was using 1st & 2nd gen ryzen processors as well.


So the 2 systems that were my test bench systems consisted of:

ryzen 1600 & ryzen 2600
a320 for both and same models
16gb 3000mhz vengeance & 16gb 3600mhz vipers( both limited to what the board would accept though).
128gb & 256gb m.2 boot drives
2 x 512gb 2.5 ssds for the games
700w 80 bronze psu
windows 10

latest possible bios/drivers.

These will be replaced with a 9th-12th gen intel system once ive decided, but i am completing my 5900x build which all i need now is a gpu which as my personal will probably be what id stick with as my only system once ive finished with the intel.

So for that the system will be:

5900x
a520m gigabyte
16gb 3600mhz viper
mag 650w gold
windows 10 or maybe 11

plus whatever gpu i end up going with.

I play BO6 on xbox mostly, but i want the computer to be able to play it still and at 1440p high/max settings. With how well it plays on series S, i was expecting the rx 480 as old as it is to do a bit of a better job than i got.

have you looked into 5700xt gpu seem to be cheap but still up there with the benchmarks.

 

[humbug]

Is this single player or multi player though? It was in multi player AMD was ahead. GameGPU, Techpowerup and OC3D shows AMD ahead still:

https://en.gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/call-of-duty-black-ops-6-test-gpu-cpu

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Performance Benchmark Review - AMD FTW

Call of Duty Black Ops 6 comes with a highly entertaining single-player campaign that feels like a James Bond movie. Graphics are good, too, with very high production value. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality, VRAM consumption, and how it runs across a range of...

www.techpowerup.com

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 PC Performance Review - OC3D

Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 is here, and it has issues on PC. Activision needs to do better, and quickly needs to address upscaler support.

overclock3d.net

The Computerbase results are a bit odd. The other reviews have the 7900GRE ahead of an RX7800XT,but it is significantly slower in this case.

Moreover, the AMD cards are cheaper. The 7900XT has been below £600 recently and the RX7800XT below £400, and the RX6750XT below £300. Looking at an average of the four reviews the AMD cards are still price for price faster. That is also assuming you have a decent CPU too - if you don't the AMD cards still seem to have the edge in certain scenarios.

Everything Computerbase do is always -20% for AMD vs Nvidia in comparison to everyone else so read in to that what you will.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

have you looked into 5700xt gpu seem to be cheap but still up there with the benchmarks.

no i havent. I am currently looking at a RX 6650xt fighter which appeal for price being up to 250, but like my post about a 4060ti, i am questioning its 128bit bus even though that along with the rx 6600 and 7600 are highly rated or at least was the case within the last year.

I am looking at the rx 5000 series on the used market, but only the 5500 or if theres anything in between 5000-5500.

 

[Tetras]

I am currently looking at a RX 6650xt fighter which appeal for price being up to 250, but like my post about a 4060ti, i am questioning its 128bit bus even though that along with the rx 6600 and 7600 are highly rated or at least was the case within the last year.

I wouldn't say any of those cards were highly rated apart from the 6600, which is considered the best value entry-level card for 1080p.

The 128-bit bus isn't something I'd worry about if you're paying around £200-£230, since these are low-end 8GB cards and they won't really suffer from it. The 4060 Ti 16GB is usually more like £400 and a buyer will be tempted (by the VRAM) to use one for 1440p or 4K, so the 128-bit bus is not funny.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

I wouldn't say any of those cards were highly rated apart from the 6600, which is considered the best value entry-level card for 1080p.

The 128-bit bus isn't something I'd worry about if you're paying around £200-£230, since these are low-end 8GB cards and they won't really suffer from it. The 4060 Ti 16GB is usually more like £400 and a buyer will be tempted (by the VRAM) to use one for 1440p or 4K, so the 128-bit bus is not funny.

well in fairness the posts on reddit when i was looking were 10-12 months old, so probably not as highly rated now ha.

I dont know if you had made any more posts in that topic as this is the first time in a few days ive been on, but i think i might ignore the 4060ti. 16gb aside, if it does no better than the cheaper ones @ 1080p, but more importantly 1440p then it seems pointless. I had seen some for under 400 which is why i was thinking it. its the high settings 1440 im thinking of which will only effect the gaming side of things.

Im going to assume for a game like BO6 that has a vram monitor in the setting that it doesnt matter too much what 8gb gpu you have(supported ones obviously), the game isnt going to look or be particularly different if you have to keep it within/under its threshold limit still?

 

[Tetras]

Im going to assume for a game like BO6 that has a vram monitor in the setting that it doesnt matter too much what 8gb gpu you have(supported ones obviously), the game isnt going to look or be particularly different if you have to keep it within/under its threshold limit still?

It is hard to say because it depends on the game, for a few reasons:
- The VRAM usage for different quality settings and resolutions varies.
- The impact of exceeding VRAM usage often depends on the engine (some handle it better and less visibly than others).
- The visual quality impact of changing settings (especially textures, for example) is different.

In TPU's performance review, they have numbers for the VRAM usage at each resolution and screenshots to show you the quality differences.

When HUB do this, they often look at the actual gameplay too, so you can see if textures are disappearing, flickering or whatever, due to lack of VRAM.

The 4060 Ti 16GB is an awkward card and I suspect it might end up in a similar situation to the RX 480/580 4GB versus 8GB thing, i.e.:
- The 8GB version has more usability/utility, BUT
- Modern demanding games that really need 8GB to run, are starting to perform too slowly on the RX 480/580 anyway.

well in fairness the posts on reddit when i was looking were 10-12 months old, so probably not as highly rated now ha.

I guess, but they've never really been popular and even the 6600 was panned on release because it was way too expensive. The 7600 should have had 12GB of memory and the 4060 Ti was received poorly due to the lacklustre performance and not matching up great against the card (3060 Ti) it replaced. Since they released, the 6600 has dropped A LOT in price, so they're a decent pick now, but the 7600 (or 7600 XT) looks dated against the 4060, due to the high power consumption.

I'd say the 6750 XT or 6800 are really the best RDNA2 cards you can still buy, they're a fair price for the performance, the VRAM capacity is sufficient and they have plenty of grunt for 1080p and 1440p.

I wouldn't buy a 6600 or 7600 for 1440p or for longer-term gaming, they're just too slow.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

It is hard to say because it depends on the game, for a few reasons:
- The VRAM usage for different quality settings and resolutions varies.
- The impact of exceeding VRAM usage often depends on the engine (some handle it better and less visibly than others).
- The visual quality impact of changing settings (especially textures, for example) is different.

In TPU's performance review, they have numbers for the VRAM usage at each resolution and screenshots to show you the quality differences.

When HUB do this, they often look at the actual gameplay too, so you can see if textures are disappearing, flickering or whatever, due to lack of VRAM.

The 4060 Ti 16GB is an awkward card and I suspect it might end up in a similar situation to the RX 480/580 4GB versus 8GB thing, i.e.:
- The 8GB version has more usability/utility, BUT
- Modern demanding games that really need 8GB to run, are starting to perform too slowly on the RX 480/580 anyway.


I guess, but they've never really been popular and even the 6600 was panned on release because it was way too expensive. The 7600 should have had 12GB of memory and the 4060 Ti was received poorly due to the lacklustre performance and not matching up great against the card (3060 Ti) it replaced. Since they released, the 6600 has dropped A LOT in price, so they're a decent pick now, but the 7600 (or 7600 XT) looks dated against the 4060, due to the high power consumption.

I'd say the 6750 XT or 6800 are really the best RDNA2 cards you can still buy, they're a fair price for the performance, the VRAM capacity is sufficient and they have plenty of grunt for 1080p and 1440p.

I wouldn't buy a 6600 or 7600 for 1440p or for longer-term gaming, they're just too slow.

Ah ok then i did think that might be the case and so in that sense the only real way to test that theory is to buy a bundle of cards to test then. I was a little surprised the 1070ti struggled a little with trying to get better settings id have liked because it looks like BO6 monitor has a cap not much high than 8gb.

Ah fair enough then, i suppose there was all that lark about demand/scalpers etc before which bumped up prices, but on a gpu basis they didnt seem to do too badly from what i did look up at the time. Defiantly seemed like miss opportunities as you say about the 7600 shouldve had 12gb.

Speaking of the 3060ti, i was looking at those as while i dont know what good prices are, they come up at the lower end of the budget im setting and obviously been rated highly over the 4000 series for awhile, however i am a little dubious if they are too costly for how old they are. id like to think the 3060 will run BO6 really well.