Finally time for a new PC - is this ok?

Oxide™

Oxide™

Oxide™

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Yes, my pc is still a i5 760 - she has served me well but very long in the tooth now

I've researched bits and have created the below list - please could you cast your expert opinion upon - wife won't let this happen again for a long time so this needs to last (with a gpu upgrade at least) for 10 years

Going for a white rgb build with 8 fans:
Case = Phanteks NV5 v2 – White £105
CPU = i7 14700K raptor lake socket lga 1700 £350
MB = Asus ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming WIFI II (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX £330
M2 = 2x WD Black SN850X 4TB £220 each
Memory = Corsair Dominator Titanium RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-57600C34 7200MHz Dual Kit White £185
PSU = Corsair RMx850 850W White Shift ATX3.1 £110
AIO = Lian Li Galahad II Trinity SL-INF AIO 360mm ARGB CPU Water Cooler - White £170 (comes with 3 120mm UNI SL INF fans)
Fans =
4x reverse Lian Li UNI SL120 INF White 120mm Fan £30 each (reverse fans for intake and normal for exhaust - 1000rpm suggested so they run quietly)
1x normal Lian Li UNI SL120 INF White 120mm Fan £30
Lian Li UNI HUB SL INF Connect 3 Controller – White £25
GPU = Zotac Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity OC White Edition 16GB £800
Monitor = 1440p 27inch vesa mount high refresh 160? MSI MPG 271QRX QD-OLED £750

I guess the 2 items I'm not sure on because they are big ticket are the monitor and gpu? maybe the members market has deals for similar items (lost access to it as new baby arrived)
 
I make the total 2K5 excluding monitor, if so, I'd pick something more like this (assuming white is required):

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,575.73 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

If you want Intel, this (black):

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,380.76 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

Reasons:
Oxide™ said:
Case = Phanteks NV5 v2 – White £105

4x reverse Lian Li UNI SL120 INF White 120mm Fan £30 each (reverse fans for intake and normal for exhaust - 1000rpm suggested so they run quietly)
1x normal Lian Li UNI SL120 INF White 120mm Fan £30
Lian Li UNI HUB SL INF Connect 3 Controller – White £25
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I prefer cases with the fans bundled like the C5, or 216.

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Memory = Corsair Dominator Titanium RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-57600C34 7200MHz Dual Kit White £185
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Price is ouch.

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M2 = 2x WD Black SN850X 4TB £220 each
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Not changed.

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PSU = Corsair RMx850 850W White Shift ATX3.1 £110
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I just changed based on stock, no big.

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CPU = i7 14700K raptor lake socket lga 1700 £350
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I don't trust these anymore, but if you're happy with the 5 year extended warranty then that's fine. Myself, if I were determined to go Intel I'd get the 265K and hope that Intel fixes the inconsistent performance with BIOS/software updates as they have promised.

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I guess the 2 items I'm not sure on because they are big ticket are the monitor and gpu?
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Are you just a gamer, or do you need nvidia for other reasons? If you're just a gamer, does raytracing bother you?

Oxide™ said:
Monitor = 1440p 27inch vesa mount high refresh 160? MSI MPG 271QRX QD-OLED £750
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Monitors not my thing, so not a good person to comment on that.
 
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Thank you - yeah I happy with intel socket 1700

I used to be a gamer (Witcher etc) but just play Hearthstone now

Want to get into Cyberpunk 2077 etc now
 
Oxide™ said:
Yes, my pc is still a i5 760 - she has served me well but very long in the tooth now
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intel aren't the same as 14 years ago. Back then they dominated. Unfortunately they rested on their laurels, charged high prices for incremental gains and then laughed off AMD, who with the launch of AM$ came back roaring. Now with AM5 and the x3d cpu, they've overtaken intel by a long margin

below is the 9800x3d in 40 games..if you go to 9.43, you'll see the 9800x3d in cyberpunk managed 84fps while using 99w...the 14700 k managed 76 fps(so 9800x3d was10.5% faster) while using 155w (so 14700k had to use 56.6% more power to slower)


below is a better comparison of cpu's..on this the average at 1080p, where you look at the cpu bottleneck, the 9800x3d is on average 26.5% faster than the 14900k..which is faster than the 14700k obvs

on top of that, the 13th and 14th gen intel cpu's have been failingesp, the 700 and 900 sku's..intel have put multiple bios updates out to vendors basically limiting the power of the cpu's to try and stop them breaking...just not worth it imho and the new platform cpu core 9 ultra 285..new flagship, is slower at gaming than the 14900k


it's quite hard to get your head around it, but for gaming, AMD are so far ahead at the moment and that'll stretch when the new gpu's arrive too
 
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Oxide™ said:
I've researched bits and have created the below list - please could you cast your expert opinion upon - wife won't let this happen again for a long time so this needs to last (with a gpu upgrade at least) for 10 years

Going for a white rgb build with 8 fans:
Case = Phanteks NV5 v2 – White £105
CPU = i7 14700K raptor lake socket lga 1700 £350
MB = Asus ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming WIFI II (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX £330
M2 = 2x WD Black SN850X 4TB £220 each
Memory = Corsair Dominator Titanium RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-57600C34 7200MHz Dual Kit White £185
PSU = Corsair RMx850 850W White Shift ATX3.1 £110
AIO = Lian Li Galahad II Trinity SL-INF AIO 360mm ARGB CPU Water Cooler - White £170 (comes with 3 120mm UNI SL INF fans)
Fans =
4x reverse Lian Li UNI SL120 INF White 120mm Fan £30 each (reverse fans for intake and normal for exhaust - 1000rpm suggested so they run quietly)
1x normal Lian Li UNI SL120 INF White 120mm Fan £30
Lian Li UNI HUB SL INF Connect 3 Controller – White £25
GPU = Zotac Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity OC White Edition 16GB £800
Monitor = 1440p 27inch vesa mount high refresh 160? MSI MPG 271QRX QD-OLED £750

I guess the 2 items I'm not sure on because they are big ticket are the monitor and gpu? maybe the members market has deals for similar items (lost access to it as new baby arrived)
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and 100% white build agreed?

Black fri is a load of b*****t. the 4080Supers were £60 cheaper a couple of days ago..if this is going to last 10 year, you'll want one of these
If you can wait a couple of monthe new new 5000 series gpu's will be launching...should be announce as CES in jan (think it's 7-9th Jan..around that time)...last time that happenned, the cards got launched 2 weeks later I'd hold on for that
in the meantime you can make 13 posts and you'll get you MM back. guessing they'll be a gfew 4090's coming on the market then, all with the lovely 24gb vram rather than 16gb
if it's 10yrs, get 64gb ram.32 is ok now, but not in 10years the way things are going and £185 is too much anyway....I'm actually contemplating getting 64gb dominator titanium 6000c30 for £210. don't actually need it, but me getting an itch and wanting to give my pc to my son's so I can build another :cry:
that monitors a bit rich, not even being a ultrawide..where i am it's about £200 cheaper...which isn't normal...generally monitors are more expensive here

at that price point you can go ultrawide or even 32" 4k oled, which the 4080super is more than capable of handling
asus rog strix XG27AQDMG 240hz woled 27" 1440p is £499 on black fri deal (ocuk have for £698.99 so you need to shop around)
philips Evnia 34M2C8600 34" qd oled 175hz ultrawide is £578.99 (ocuk have it for £798.95 also...thinking ocuk not the place to look for monitors atm at this rate)

the dell alienware 32"4k AW322fQF is mean to be good at £834.98 at mo..slight curve, qd oled, 4k 240hz...sign up you get another 5% off
they have the 27" qd oled 1440p 360hz for £619.93 also
or the original 34 curved ultrawide AW3423DWF for £779...I's search around for some discount codes on that one

anyway..for £750, think you can do better

as guide I'm using a 42"/48" c2/C4 lg oled tv as my monitor..c2 is older so 120hz, c4 newer so 144hz. woled isn't as wow as qd oled..the colour vibrancy of qd oled is more outstanding shall we say, but it's still so so good compared to ips/va etc the LG's can be set to 1440 ultawide etc...get black bars at top and bottom, though you can have lit part at top middle or bottom, so your choice..works out as a 38" ultrawide i seem to remember...but I never really use that option...48" too big, 42" is sweetspot for me and my sons...ppi is 106, very similar to a 27" 1440p display so you get a dicent picture without having to use and scaling
not for everyone..for high end more normal size, I'd look at 4k 32" if just want a monitor..that's where the new qd oleds are coming out at present, so you'll get some choice, if now above take your fancy
 
Yes defo an all white build - really appeals to me

Thanks for all the info - I've been out of touch with hardware developments so wasn't aware of the cpu battle disparity and just took it as golden that Intel are still the solid all around choice

I've always been an Intel/Nvidia fan - This pc won't just be for gaming, are the intels still ok with other types of use? i.e. browsing etc

I may wait (I've waited so long already so not too bad) until new gpu's launched to bring down the 40xx prices in MM and maybe hope that intel sorts out this mess with a good bios update - still not sure going the AMD route tbh

I don't need mega large monitor - just good quality 1440p 27"
 
Oxide™ said:
Yes defo an all white build - really appeals to me

Thanks for all the info - I've been out of touch with hardware developments so wasn't aware of the cpu battle disparity and just took it as golden that Intel are still the solid all around choice

I've always been an Intel/Nvidia fan - This pc won't just be for gaming, are the intels still ok with other types of use? i.e. browsing etc

I may wait (I've waited so long already so not too bad) until new gpu's launched to bring down the 40xx prices in MM and maybe hope that intel sorts out this mess with a good bios update - still not sure going the AMD route tbh

I don't need mega large monitor - just good quality 1440p 27"
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Nvidia prices are nuts, and they're measly when it comes to VRAM. At least with Intel they're bundling in 16GB on affordable GPU's, I may even consider one, as Nvidia prices are stupid, AMD are better but even so I would need to spend £400.

I wouldn't touch Intel CPU, high power consumption, and no amount of Microcode will fix the IHS bending :D 250W for CPU is nuts, my 7700 uses 65W and performs the same, and runs cold. like 32 degrees now
 
Oxide™ said:
I've always been an Intel/Nvidia fan - This pc won't just be for gaming, are the intels still ok with other types of use? i.e. browsing etc
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The Core Ultra 265K in my second spec is roughly comparable to a Ryzen 9900X for productivity, but for gaming it is more like a Ryzen 7700 or 13600K. They have inconsistent performance across the board at the moment.
 
Oxide™ said:
Yes defo an all white build - really appeals to me

Thanks for all the info - I've been out of touch with hardware developments so wasn't aware of the cpu battle disparity and just took it as golden that Intel are still the solid all around choice

I've always been an Intel/Nvidia fan - This pc won't just be for gaming, are the intels still ok with other types of use? i.e. browsing etc

I may wait (I've waited so long already so not too bad) until new gpu's launched to bring down the 40xx prices in MM and maybe hope that intel sorts out this mess with a good bios update - still not sure going the AMD route tbh

I don't need mega large monitor - just good quality 1440p 27"
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27" 1440 high end i'd look at
qd oled gets my vote
dell alienware AW2725DF 360 hz qd oled £619.93..sign up and get 5% off so £588.93 there is a thread on forum for this monitor i believe
samsung G60SD 360 hz qd oled £639 (same panel) matt finish i think for anti glare

if 240 hz is good enough, then standard woled
asus rog strix XG27AQDMG 240hz woled 27" 1440p is £499

you'll have to look away rather than ocuk to get these prices, and alienware is direct..remember to sign up as 1st timer to get the 5% discount code if you go that way

for web browsing, emails, excel/word/outlook etc amd or intel it doesn't matter. I use both in the office and have a 7800x3d cpu at home and can wfh 1 day of the week...makes zero difference to my workload

if it involves video, rendering etc then suggest look at technotice on yt, but not what i do
 
Thanks for the input and advice guys

Monitor
Not sure I need 360 hz (I'm currently on 60hz so anything higher is going to be an improvement) - is there a high quality qd oled in the 100 hz range which may be cheaper but keep the quality?

System
So reading up about AMD vs Intel you guys are right, AMD seems the winner
Does my system need anything different other than AM5 mobo, AMD cpu and DDR5 with EXPO? that is like the only changes to go AMD right?

Also is it then worth going for more ram hz like 6000+ or makes no difference in an AMD system? (apologies not clued up on AMD ecosystem)
 
Oxide™ said:
Thanks for the input and advice guys

Monitor
Not sure I need 360 hz (I'm currently on 60hz so anything higher is going to be an improvement) - is there a high quality qd oled in the 100 hz range which may be cheaper but keep the quality?

System
So reading up about AMD vs Intel you guys are right, AMD seems the winner
Does my system need anything different other than AM5 mobo, AMD cpu and DDR5 with EXPO? that is like the only changes to go AMD right?

Also is it then worth going for more ram hz like 6000+ or makes no difference in an AMD system? (apologies not clued up on AMD ecosystem)
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appolgies for typing, at work so doing 2 things at once..my spelling goes out the window...Amd doesn't need to have the fastest ram to work best. 6000C30 is the sweet spot. plently of yt vid where they test much more expensive ram running at 8000 speed etc, and really you only gain a couple frames so not worth it
if you go for an x3d cpu also, then the extra cache of the cpu means it's not so sensitive to latency so you can go for a higher latency kit, though the price difference now is so much smaller than the past you might as well get c30 if you can afford it(think now the diff between a 6000C36 and 6000C30 can be as little as £10, so why not...before the price diff was much wider)..I've got 32gb corsair vengeance rgb 6000c30 paired with a 7800x3d so it's what i did(might as well do as i preach)...i mean, if you're going to keep it for another 10 years, I'd get 64gb I guess..not needed now but at some point in the future yes....2 schools of thought...buy 32 now..use it, when 64 gb is commonplace , that'll be closer to where 32gb prices are now...sell the 32gb and buy the 64gb...history shows this works out cheaper..also, might get faster ram in future that does make a difference, so you can buy that and not be stuck with a legacy kit
just buy 64gb now(prices have dropped a lot in last 6 months anywa)..enjoy 64gb knowing that half of it isn't being used at mo, but you won't be faffing around swapping at a later date. my boys both want pc's ..thinking just going 64gb myself for next build, get it over and done...i use my pc for work and play 9that's how i justify it to myself, and my work pc was upgraded to 64gb)
i'm guessing am5 9800x3d cpu, you wont really need to update it . it's so far ahead at mo, the 11800x3d(naming is odd when it gets updated), you'll prob be too close to want to upgrade, and that's likely to be the last x3d for am5..bit like my 7800x3d..i wouldn't spend £500 to swap out my 7800x3d for a potential 11% gain..it's still the 2nd best gaming cpu you an buy...I'll get way more frames adding that £200 (can sell the 7800x3d for £300 now) to any aaving I have and go up a level in gpu(as going from a 4070super to the 4070tisuper, or tisuper to the 4080super..you get what i mean...anyway, thinking probsbly 6000c30 will e the defacto setting for am5..doesn't seem to make much of a difference going faster
yup, there are 240 hz qd oled..just the new ones have been buped up to 360...makes the picture clearer if doing fast panning, you get a lot less blurred edge effect(think of the alien spacehip scrolling test). just having a quick look, doesn't seem to be much of a difference in price going 240 or 360 qd oled...so might as well go 360..it's just the way the new monitors are going, and they're the ones on black fri offer. Hardware unboxed have a monitor section..monitors unboxed or something..they normally do a chart, best for price etc..worth a look on yt
sorry, got hour left of work and month end, and then running to get a flight home for sons b'day, so wont have time to have a proper search at mo. hope that helps a little
 
Oxide™ said:
Yes, my pc is still a i5 760 - she has served me well but very long in the tooth now
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And you have chosen absolutely the worst time to upgrade. The best CPU for you, the Ryzen 9800X3D, is out of stock and new GPUs from both Intel and Nvidia are imminent: Intel launch in 2 weeks and Nvidia in 5 weeks.
 
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Just a few questions please guys

1- Looking at qd-oled but concerned about burn in - is this a real problem if doing like 50% browsing
Would a 5 minute timer of inactivity to put monitor to sleep resolve this? i.e. pc turmed on all day and frequently left with a static image on

2- New to proper rgb, I'm loving the look of Lian Li Uni SL INF fans - these need a lancool 3 controller
then mobo, say asus, has rgb
then memory has rgb
and so on
do they each have their own software to control them, if so do they conflict with each other, is it set-and-forget or need to always run in background (I hate unnecessary resource usage) or can all rgb from all components/brands be handled in one application/area?
also does all rgb need to be plugged into mobo for bios access or ok to just run main rgb from lancool 3 app? will this lose rgb buttons on case functionality?

3 - Looking to initially have 2x 4TB m.2 pcie4 drives installed but read somewhere that if 2 of these installed it halves the pcie lanes of the gpu (also existing 1 ssd and 2 sata drives)
Is that correct or did I misunderstand - don't want to half bandwidth of gpu obvs
 
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3 - Looking to initially have 2x 4TB m.2 pcie4 drives installed but read somewhere that if 2 of these installed it halves the pcie lanes of the gpu (also existing 1 ssd and 2 sata drives)
Is that correct or did I misunderstand - don't want to half bandwidth of gpu obvs
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Which motherboard?
 
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