The Manchester United Club Thread

[uscool]

Bit of a shift for a dig there... Organisations require restructuring as times change and adjustments need to be made. Are redundancies and job losses unfortunate for the folk on the receiving end. Yes. However jobs aren't a given and people are renumerated money for their efforts and time during the period they are asked to. Appreciating that isn't a view that sits for individual cases of redendancies where fair play has been in question. Man Utd isn't one of them though, it's an organisation that's needed sorting for a long time.

See Fergie for instance absolute non-sense to be paying him millions to be an ambassador IMO. But what the previous senior team thought was value (marketing and brand), differs from where my weighting on value is in that case specifically.

Footballers are not club administrative staff and treating them as the same does not work.

As in other walks in life, yes I know footballers are treated differently
doesnt mean cant have opinions I get sticking by players but there should be a limit to be successful you need to be ruthless to some degree keeping Phil Jones all them years did it help the club ?

I don't blame the players it's the people given the task of giving the contracts and we know united have been the worst for that hopefully now it changes going forward

 

[engee]

So what do you suggest they should do?

"Sorry Luke, but we need to rip up your contract as you keep getting injured mate"


I'm gutted for the guy. It must be soul destroying thinking you're getting back and it happens over and over again.

 

[shipinabottle]

As in other walks in life, yes I know footballers are treated differently
doesnt mean cant have opinions I get sticking by players but there should be a limit to be successful you need to be ruthless to some degree keeping Phil Jones all them years did it help the club ?

I don't blame the players it's the people given the task of giving the contracts and we know united have been the worst for that hopefully now it changes going forward

yeah i get what you're going at., though we don't know what specific value the club puts on Phil or Luke other than they've chosen to back them.

Could it be they are good leaders within the football side as well as potential for their skills on the pitch? They both speak well and don't throw tantrums.

So the club might have value in keeping them here through transitional periods. Hindsight on players or success of periods is just that... Phil Jones or Luke Shaw being of value is a drop in the ocean of the crap of the last regime.

 

[sigma]

So what do you suggest they should do?

"Sorry Luke, but we need to rip up your contract as you keep getting injured mate"


I'm gutted for the guy. It must be soul destroying thinking you're getting back and it happens over and over again.

Contracts should have some sort of clause in them

 

[uscool]

So what do you suggest they should do?

"Sorry Luke, but we need to rip up your contract as you keep getting injured mate"


I'm gutted for the guy. It must be soul destroying thinking you're getting back and it happens over and over again.

Didn't say that but something should be in contracts for instances like this

 

[sigma]

Without trying to be negative, how does this squad of players rank against previous? Is this the lowest quality? Some players have potential but still.

 

[sigma]

Didn't say that but something should be in contracts for instances like this

Injury and Medical Clauses

Football is a physically demanding sport, and injuries are an unfortunate reality. Your contract should clearly outline what happens if you’re injured and unable to play. Many contracts include a sick pay clause, which guarantees a reduced salary during periods of injury.

It’s crucial to ensure that your contract includes adequate protection if you suffer a long-term injury. Some contracts may also have clauses that allow the club to terminate the agreement if you’re unable to return to fitness within a certain period, so it’s vital to have legal advice on these terms.

Knowing United it's probably full pay plus bonuses.

 

[fez]

You can put whatever you like in a contract up to a point. The question is whether the player will sign it. We have been utterly awful at contracts over the past decade plus however. Thats what comes from having poor quality coupled with deep pockets though. You hang on tight to what little quality you have and massively overpay them because you are scared they will leave.

 

[BaZ87]

I'd be amazed if clubs could put clauses in players contracts relating to them picking up injuries while doing their job or at least it couldn't be enforced. Luke Shaw picked up his injury while working for Utd, you can't penalise a player for that.

It's the clubs responsibility to guard against these things by trying not to give out big contracts to players with patchy injury records or at least structuring these contracts with lower base wages and higher performance related bonuses.

 

[fez]

I'd be amazed if clubs could put clauses in players contracts relating to them picking up injuries while doing their job or at least it couldn't be enforced. Luke Shaw picked up his injury while working for Utd, you can't penalise a player for that.

It's the clubs responsibility to guard against these things by trying not to give out big contracts to players with patchy injury records or at least structuring these contracts with lower base wages and higher performance related bonuses.

I would think you are correct as its well known that managers push players to play through injury and if that directly resulted in a massive wage cut, players would simply refuse to do it. There has to be give and take. With players that clearly have a massive injury susceptibility though you just wouldn't offer them a silly base salary. As you say, you give them a base salary and then increase it with bonuses.

 

[MarcLister]

It's the clubs responsibility to guard against these things by trying not to give out big contracts to players with patchy injury records or at least structuring these contracts with lower base wages and higher performance related bonuses.

My thoughts too. Incentivise players with bad injury records with a lower guaranteed salary, reflecting their availability to the club, and compensate with bonuses for being available for a certain percentage of games over a certain period of time or just give very big appearance fees. Play in more games - collect the extra money from appearing in games. Not available - lower basic salary then.

 

[Converge]

Awww, no! Kath has died

 

[JRS]

Awww, no! Kath has died

A Utd institution. RIP.

 

[Droolinggimp]

Just seen the news. Thats so sad...

 

[MarcLister]

Jeez, that's sad. Legendary figure at the club. RIP.

 

[Shamikebab]

Yeah sad to hear about someone who has been a part of the club for so long passing

In better news, good to see our former and current keepers leading the way in Europe!

 

[Spuderoony]

lmao. So team doesn't win and that means our scout for say Spain must be crap and fired. I have access to the exact same knowledge as everyone (although you don't use yours seeing as you seem to be unaware of a lot that has happened at the club since INEOS took over). I'm not the one that is making claims that the entire scouting team needs to be sacked...you are.

Antony. All that needs to be said. The Ali Dia of United.

 

[sigma]

I really like the openness from Amorim but is he going to lose the fragile-minded players before he can get replacements in? Is he too open/direct? ETH similar at the start.

What I also like his that he seems to be sticking to simple concepts first, like effort and running. I wonder if that's one place where ETH went wrong, was he too technical without focusing on the basics? Were the players bombarded with info? Did he struggle to get his actual/key messages/processes across?

Amorim is talking the talk for sure, he's also said he will adapt his system (unlike what the media want us to believe). So the club really need to back him with good purchases because they clearly agree that his philosophy fits in with their philosophy and the future of the club.

 

[Robbo]

I think he's brilliant so far, and has a completely refreshing, honest approach to things. He's right that tactics are meaningless if players aren't running and putting in the effort. I don't think ETH lost the players completely, he was just a poor communicator/tactician and they didn't know what he wanted - I don't think he knew either, really.

The biggest problem is expectation. Every time Man Utd lose it's a nightmare, a media storm, people are looking for explanations and headlines. That needs to be tempered while he gets to know the squad. He'll be able to identify the major areas of improvement needed. A signing or two in January I think would actually help a lot, but it's always tricky.

Our next run of fixtures are tough, we could quite conceivably struggle in most of them, but so would any team - we just have to ride it out. There will no doubt be plenty of idiots spamming memes comparing ETH and Amorim, but he's only been here 5 minutes.

Dan Ashworth will play a big part too, when they identify players to sign, it needs to be done quickly and ruthlessly, no messing about for months on end.

 

[MarcLister]

I really like the openness from Amorim but is he going to lose the fragile-minded players before he can get replacements in? Is he too open/direct? ETH similar at the start.

What I also like his that he seems to be sticking to simple concepts first, like effort and running. I wonder if that's one place where ETH went wrong, was he too technical without focusing on the basics? Were the players bombarded with info? Did he struggle to get his actual/key messages/processes across?

Amorim is talking the talk for sure, he's also said he will adapt his system (unlike what the media want us to believe). So the club really need to back him with good purchases because they clearly agree that his philosophy fits in with their philosophy and the future of the club.

Didn't Ruben say something about the squad needing to be fitter to be able to cope with tracking back over a match? It's a worry if the Utd squad aren't fit; the club has the status and the money to make sure players have the equipment they need at training. I do like that Ruben is concentrating on improving the basics, get them right and hopefully then they will be used to his formation and tactics and we'll see an improvement.

Considering Ineos are running the football side of things now, they've got their first appointment as head coach so they have no excuse to not back him with players.

I think he's brilliant so far, and has a completely refreshing, honest approach to things. He's right that tactics are meaningless if players aren't running and putting in the effort. I don't think ETH lost the players completely, he was just a poor communicator/tactician and they didn't know what he wanted - I don't think he knew either, really.

The biggest problem is expectation. Every time Man Utd lose it's a nightmare, a media storm, people are looking for explanations and headlines. That needs to be tempered while he gets to know the squad. He'll be able to identify the major areas of improvement needed. A signing or two in January I think would actually help a lot, but it's always tricky.

Our next run of fixtures are tough, we could quite conceivably struggle in most of them, but so would any team - we just have to ride it out. There will no doubt be plenty of idiots spamming memes comparing ETH and Amorim, but he's only been here 5 minutes.

Dan Ashworth will play a big part too, when they identify players to sign, it needs to be done quickly and ruthlessly, no messing about for months on end.

I hope Utd will make one or two signings in January, just to show they are continually improving the squad and a demonstration of backing Ruben in the first transfer window. They don't have to be mega signings, perhaps young prospects. Although a 1st XI LB/WBL would be good as Shaw hasn't got the consistency we need and Malacia doesn't seem to be much better either.

What Dan Ashworth at Brighton and Newcastle, is what we need. Good signings at a respectable price.

The next few weeks' fixtures are tough and, like you say, we could suffer in most of them, but I trust Ruben to get us on the right track over the next few years. We'll have moments of pain but as long as we see an upwards trend in matches, player performances, signings improving the squad and deadwood being shipped out we'll be happy.