The Manchester United Club Thread

[sigma]

Hardly. Maguire can scrap with police in Greece, Antony can do what hes done yet somehow Rashford gets pelters. He's crap, always has been, just because some fans are finally realising it doesnt make it his fault.

Just look at redcafes forum. There is literally a thread called "Maguires redemption" and one above is "Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot"

United are garbage, they are stinking the place out week after week and Rashford is seemingly being used as a sacrificial lamb.

There are a multitude of reasons.

United are garbage and stinking the place out - why you need to state this is funny, United have been rubbish with a bad attitude for over a decade. You're stating the obvious. However, things do appear to be changing, Amorim can only deal with the current state of things. That's what's the cultural reset is, and if Rashford is causing issues then he should not be immune.

Maguire does seem to have redeemed himself on the pitch. He also got loads of stick when he was having issues but not only that, people call him slabhead. How can you imply that he gets treated well? By all accounts, his attitude in the club is good and he wanted to stick around to prove himself (and pick up a big pay cheque).


Antony has had loads of stick, he's been sidelined for ages, he's been in the news also. Not sure what you're moaning about here?

Rashford has had numerous disciplinary issues for quite a while now. Not only that, and this is the main issue, his attitude on the pitch stinks, and it's getting worse.

Frankly your anti-Untied bias is shining brightly here.

Going back to your original/first post, people are giving Rashford stick due to poor attitude and low level of effort more than anything else. And when I mean people I mean most reasonable fans, not the media. Everyone wants him to succeed. With his recent antics he's made himself the lamb.

 

[Shamikebab]

Wait is he trying to claim that only Rashford gets hatred?
Maguire was the most abused players in world football at one point, he was getting abuse from politicians from other countries!

 

[sigma]

Wait is he trying to claim that only Rashford gets hatred?
Maguire was the most abused players in world football at one point, he was getting abuse from politicians from other countries!

I think we all know of the certain posters in here whose posts we need to take with a huge pinch of salt. Probably can include myself in that group.

 

[engee]

We don't often agree but I think you have a point. If Man United weren't so crap in recent seasons Marcus Rashford would not receive the attention he does. He's quite often been one of our best players and that's saying something when you consider that he's not actually that good - at least in world terms. I don't think he deserves the attention he gets both positive and negative. The club is partly to blame because they made an average player into the poster child for a failing team and also decided to give him crazy wages. He's not a bad lad but the game has moved on and he's not had the motivation to adapt. Hopefully he gets a move and a respite from all the hate.

Correct, as he wouldn't even get in the team. His attitude and work ethic on the pitch would not have been tolerated in our successful era.

But I do agree, the club is also partly to blame for making him the poster boy.

 

[fez]

Hardly. Maguire can scrap with police in Greece, Antony can do what hes done yet somehow Rashford gets pelters. He's crap, always has been, just because some fans are finally realising it doesnt make it his fault.

Just look at redcafes forum. There is literally a thread called "Maguires redemption" and one above is "Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot"

United are garbage, they are stinking the place out week after week and Rashford is seemingly being used as a sacrificial lamb.

Ya do realise that the thread titles on Redcafe, much like on here get changed for comedic/topic value. And that new threads pop up based on current events. Go have a look at threads on Maguire over the past few years. If Rashford magically turned it around and started putting in the effort and acting professionally tomorrow he would have a very similar thread to Maguires on there.

As for Antony, you are just proving our point. Antony is crap. He gets crap for being crap. Shockingly though, he doesn't get the crap Rashford does because hes not on the same salary and when he does play he works his ass off. So perhaps Rashford gets the abuse he does because he deserves it for his attitude and behaviour. If theres one thing fans really hate its an overpaid player who doesn't care about the club and doesn't work for the club or the fans. If there is one thing they dislike even more than that, its a player who likes to tell them how much he cares and how hard he works for the team when their eyeballs tell them the complete opposite. Wonder who fits that description to a tee?

 

[Robbo]

It's simply outrageous to suggest the fans are to blame for Rashford's poor attitude.

This is a guy who was adored by the fans, given a huge contract, and has built a massive global profile. He looks utterly disinterested and has done for a long time. It's completely inexcusable, amplified by his huge salary.

He certainly hasn't always been "crap" - overrated yes, a huge form player, definitely, but he's had very good spells far beyond the average player.

Perhaps there's a mental health angle we aren't privy to, which is fair enough, but on the face of it he's done just about everything wrong from the outside looking in.

Of course the malaise at the club hasn't helped him, he's not really a leader and never will be, and a lot of pressure was heaped on him from a young age.

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In other news it's being reported that the Saudi league are keen on him: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...wants-marcus-rashford-stay-manchester-united/

Would suit all parties from a financial angle, although Rashford's image would suffer if he went out there. Seems he's not in the squad for the game tomorrow either, but Garnacho is...

I thought Amorim handled it brilliantly earlier as usual, turning Rashford's own comments against him.

 

[sigma]

Any leaks? Apart from the roof

 

[Droolinggimp]

Not seen any. Maybe the person/sperson responsable have been caught or wiill stop until it moves of the back pages thne restart.

 

[BaZ87]

If you have a problem with somebody's post then ignore them and if you feel the need, report them.

 

[Robbo]

Amorim having to speak about Rashford again.

Marcus Rashford: Man Utd boss Ruben Amorim questions decision-making from forward's camp after 'new challenge' quotes

Manchester United boss Ruben Amorim has questioned the decision-making from Marcus Rashfords camp following his public comments regarding his future; Rashford admitted he was ready for a new challenge; the player has been left out of the last three match-day squads

www.skysports.com

The fact he gave that interview as a response to being dropped from the squad is just astonishingly stupid, very few clubs would tolerate that. He's just a complete distraction now and needs to go ASAP. Ratcliffe seems a bit hot-headed and I bet he's furious - he's probably looking for a way to tear up his contract!

As for Amorim, in a way I'm actually glad things aren't going well. Far too often have these players papered over cracks by putting in uncharacteristically good performances for short periods. That isn't going to work now, the league is too strong. He's now seeing what we've all been seeing, utter garbage served up week after week. Ten Hag didn't help matters but this is his squad after all, the players he wanted are massively short on quality, and god knows what he was trying to coach them to do.

Amorim is going to need iron-clad backing from the club, he's now the figurehead and what he says, goes. His work with Sporting is evidence he can build a good team, but the media/fan noise and short term thinking is completely at odds with what he's trying to do. We'll have to suck it up and I think the short term pain will be worth it in the end. I feel for him already, you can see improvements but there are just as many setbacks, poor results, the Ashworth incident, and Rashford being Rashford. I can only assume he will get this backing because if Berrada has gone out and appointed him, a manager who has a very specific, slightly unusual style, with the goal of immediate results, that was never realistic.

Look at Klopp when he took over at Liverpool, and even Pep at City - the two greatest managers around, and it was still a struggle for them. The key thing is though, you can see improvement, and what they were trying to do. Arteta finished 8th two seasons running - and despite Arsenal being good, he's yet to deliver anything significant.

The recruitment is going to be equally important, hopefully the club can deliver on that front too.

Fun times.

 

[the wopster]

Amorim having to speak about Rashford again.

Marcus Rashford: Man Utd boss Ruben Amorim questions decision-making from forward's camp after 'new challenge' quotes

Manchester United boss Ruben Amorim has questioned the decision-making from Marcus Rashfords camp following his public comments regarding his future; Rashford admitted he was ready for a new challenge; the player has been left out of the last three match-day squads

www.skysports.com

The fact he gave that interview as a response to being dropped from the squad is just astonishingly stupid, very few clubs would tolerate that. He's just a complete distraction now and needs to go ASAP. Ratcliffe seems a bit hot-headed and I bet he's furious - he's probably looking for a way to tear up his contract!

As for Amorim, in a way I'm actually glad things aren't going well. Far too often have these players papered over cracks by putting in uncharacteristically good performances for short periods. That isn't going to work now, the league is too strong. He's now seeing what we've all been seeing, utter garbage served up week after week. Ten Hag didn't help matters but this is his squad after all, the players he wanted are massively short on quality, and god knows what he was trying to coach them to do.

Amorim is going to need iron-clad backing from the club, he's now the figurehead and what he says, goes. His work with Sporting is evidence he can build a good team, but the media/fan noise and short term thinking is completely at odds with what he's trying to do. We'll have to suck it up and I think the short term pain will be worth it in the end. I feel for him already, you can see improvements but there are just as many setbacks, poor results, the Ashworth incident, and Rashford being Rashford. I can only assume he will get this backing because if Berrada has gone out and appointed him, a manager who has a very specific, slightly unusual style, with the goal of immediate results, that was never realistic.

Look at Klopp when he took over at Liverpool, and even Pep at City - the two greatest managers around, and it was still a struggle for them. The key thing is though, you can see improvement, and what they were trying to do. Arteta finished 8th two seasons running - and despite Arsenal being good, he's yet to deliver anything significant.

The recruitment is going to be equally important, hopefully the club can deliver on that front too.

Fun times.

The problem you have is it seems the club is rotten to the core, especially the playing staff, which is going to take a fortune and time to replace and also a strong manager, I’m not saying your going to get relegated as your way too good for that, but you really remind me of Newcastle in 2008/9 when we went down, a bunch of toxic overpaid players that don’t give a **** about the club.

 

[fez]

The problem you have is it seems the club is rotten to the core, especially the playing staff, which is going to take a fortune and time to replace and also a strong manager, I’m not saying your going to get relegated as your way too good for that, but you really remind me of Newcastle in 2008/9 when we went down, a bunch of toxic overpaid players that don’t give a **** about the club.

Nah, this lot aren't that bad. 2-3 additions and we will be back in the top 6 easily. Potentially better if Amorim can improve what hes got. Hes already got them doing a lot of what we wants. Just not consistently and not at a high enough technical or physical level. That will come. I don't really care if we end the season mid-table if he is getting them going in the right direction. I can already see more of his plan than I ever could under EtH. Perhaps thats partially because EtHs football wasn't radically different from the previous manager shape wise so the changes were less apparent. I don't know.

As expected though, no matter what Amorim/United do, people will jump on him and the club. We knew it was going to be rocky. Poor recruitment coupled with a bunch of players that were bought for a completely different system. Some ageing players and some who are simply lazy or a really poor fit. Will be interesting to see what happens in the January transfer window. I reckon Rashford might go either on loan or sold and we might get a couple of loans in.

 

[The_One]

Has the club shop started selling mouse traps yet

 

[Thekwango]

Has the club shop started selling mouse traps yet

Good job they ain’t rat traps - they’d catch a couple of the players I reckon.

 

[spudbynight]

Open talk now about Man Utd being in a relegation battle.

I didn’t have that on my 2024 bingo card

 

[Robbo]

While I am fully behind Amorim's philosophy and what he wants to do, we do need to find a way to grind out some results in the short term... I wonder if he's considering tweaking the system just for now?

We need to build a new squad to fit the system... but we can't really sign a lot of new players due to the financial rules... not ideal.

In the event Ratcliffe deems Amorim a failure, he'd have to sack the new CEO as well as it was his call to bring him in at great expense - I think this is highly unlikely though and they're almost certainly going to back the manager. And rightly so.

It's going to be rough, but we do need this scorched earth cultural reset at the club. I really don't know how this will all play out.

 

[adam cool dude]

What squad do we need to fit his system? All we need is a left sided wingback. We have the players to do his system.

He just needs to get the players working.

We are in a relegation battle now. Crazy in my lifetime.

 

[Droolinggimp]

If it wasn't for corners, we should be 4/5 points better off. On that note, replacing Dalot with someone 10% better is a massive improvement. Hes been wasteful in everything.

 

[Robbo]

What squad do we need to fit his system? All we need is a left sided wingback. We have the players to do his system.

He just needs to get the players working.

We are in a relegation battle now. Crazy in my lifetime.

It's tricky as the players look so poor - and did in their favoured roles under ETH, too.

We don't have a natural #10 and this system uses two of them, so there's a huge hole in attack. Amad looks better attacking from wingback and Bruno doesn't look great at #10 either.

 

[adam cool dude]

It's tricky as the players look so poor - and did in their favoured roles under ETH, too.

We don't have a natural #10 and this system uses two of them, so there's a huge hole in attack. Amad looks better attacking from wingback and Bruno doesn't look great at #10 either.

Mason Mount, Eriksen, Bruno, Caemiro and Mainoo can all play that position. Whether or not is perfect is debatable but they shouldn't be losing to Wolves or Bournemouth.

I really hope we can get good money for Rashford and some key players in January otherwise we are in a relegation battle!