And that is the problem, isn't it? NVIDIA isn't a gaming company anymore, they're primarily AI company, with gaming just on the side. :/
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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion
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Exactly, AI TOPS doubled this generation... Raster.. well they threw a little more power at it.
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I agree even if they do use 3nm for the next it still depends on how they coordinate the die for raster, Ray tracing and tensor cores etc, I went exactly the same path although I did get the 3080 from the 1080ti then to the 4090 but the uplift with the 4090 was something else and glad I made that investment as I may end up doing the same and skipping the 60x series as well depending on price/ performance as it's still an ultra fast GPU so I am not worried about the next gen either time will tell though lol.Oh, fully agreed. There should also be a chip being produced which is in size between 5090 and 5080 one - nothing stopped NVIDIA from designing and producing such. They on purpose decided not to. Maybe, as someone said earlier, to gather all the partially faulty 5090s, cut them down to working level and sell that as 5080 Ti or so later, saving loads of monies on that... Good for them, definitely not good for gamers.
I am mostly counting on AMD pushing forth with their plans from cooperation with Sony - that could scale up out from consoles world to PC world easily and would be a proper new tech without relying on just AI. Will that happen - we'll see. But at least they have some plans aside just saying "AI!" all the time. That aside, if 6k series is just another bleak upgrade and things do not progress much from now, I might keep my 4090 for even longer than that and wait for 7k series... I had bought 1080Ti back in the days already used and still kept it for 3y longer, then sold it for more than I bought it.4090 is shaping for me to be of a similar kind of a GPU, so far.
And even that is misleading as they doubled only in very specific low-accuracy use. The more serious high accuracy TOPS grew up only 20-30% max gen on gen - and only because of more tensor cores (along with more CUDA cores and more power use). It feels like they're hitting a wall on all fronts (raster, RT, AI) - can't blame same node for all that, improvements are there only for very specific use but generally speaking not so much anymore.
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But if it's awful for AI, it will mean there are more cards for us gamers.... Oh wait.
Cancelled my preorder, I was 39th in Queue, but travelling for the best part of a month from mid feb couldn't risk it being lost in post etc. Will see what the lay of the land is like in March when I am back. Right now guess my 4090 will do. Congrats to those who got theirs. I do wonder what the 6xx series is going to have to do to be less of a disappointing release.
I thought more about this launch, and realised the GPU market for nVidia is fairly small representing around 15% of their income, rest is coming from data centres and commercial applications. Comparing to apple the majority of their revenue is from consumer, so their launches in comparison are relatively smooth. nVidia's prior income was completely from gaming along. I remember picking up the Titan X from their website the process was straight forward and no issues. 3090,4090 and now 5090 have all be shambolic.
I thought more about this launch, and realised the GPU market for nVidia is fairly small representing around 15% of their income, rest is coming from data centres and commercial applications. Comparing to apple the majority of their revenue is from consumer, so their launches in comparison are relatively smooth. nVidia's prior income was completely from gaming along. I remember picking up the Titan X from their website the process was straight forward and no issues. 3090,4090 and now 5090 have all be shambolic.
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At first I thought “hmm, yeah, that is a lot worse than the 3090 -> 5090” which is around +30% the price for +130% performance.
… but then I remember that is massively skewed by the 3090 being an absolute chump purchase in the first place
terrible price to performance at the time compared to the 3080.
Unpopular opinion time…
I’m genuinely more than happy with the direction real time computer graphics are going, in fact I think it’s probably quite necessary.
More raster performance, meh.
It’s fairly obvious I think that the future of real time gaming graphics is AI related, and that’s where we should expect the innovation to come from going forwards, so Nvidia moving firmly in that direction makes nothing but sense to me, and on some level I think it’s actually quite exciting to think about where this might lead us.
However, the grotesque price gouging and cringeworthy monopolistic antics makes all of the above a little difficult to swallow, even if I think it’s likely the right direction for the industry to take.
What a shame; they’ve definitely lost the brand loyalty they garnered with people like myself back in the days that they were competing with the likes of 3dfx.
I’m genuinely more than happy with the direction real time computer graphics are going, in fact I think it’s probably quite necessary.
More raster performance, meh.
It’s fairly obvious I think that the future of real time gaming graphics is AI related, and that’s where we should expect the innovation to come from going forwards, so Nvidia moving firmly in that direction makes nothing but sense to me, and on some level I think it’s actually quite exciting to think about where this might lead us.
However, the grotesque price gouging and cringeworthy monopolistic antics makes all of the above a little difficult to swallow, even if I think it’s likely the right direction for the industry to take.
What a shame; they’ve definitely lost the brand loyalty they garnered with people like myself back in the days that they were competing with the likes of 3dfx.
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I'm trying to rationalise not been able to get a 5080, if I want a 5080, I want an FE, and I assume they'll never be in stock where I can simply get on my computer, casuallty type the website in, clickity click, "buy", hapilly type my detals in, and buy.
2 years ago, my £800 4080 is still going strong, maybe I should be happy with the "value" of this GPU.
2 years ago, my £800 4080 is still going strong, maybe I should be happy with the "value" of this GPU.
You have a 4080 and want to upgrade to a 5080?
From what ive seen of the reviews it really isnt worth upgrading a 4080 to 5080. IMO only worth considering if you can sell the 4080 and buy the 5080 with very marginal difference in price, or if you are dead set on multi frame generation.
What's to be gained from making that purchase ? At 1440p on a 5800X3D the performance uplift would be marginal. Like many of us you're probably suffering FOMO at the moment ; there is no rational reason for you to upgrade, unless you want to move up to 4K gaming, in which case a 5090 might make sense ( in the absence of being able to grab a 4090 ) but you'd also benefit from a CPU upgrade too.
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You didn't read reviews?
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cancelled mine as well, I don't want to wait until May, and it would be coming right when I am holidaying in America for a month.
The only card I could preorder was not my first choice anyway, decided not to let fomo get the better of me.
**** Nvidia and their planned scarcity.
I saw one dude on reddit go from a 4090 to a 5080 because he wants MFG... He already sold his 4090 and paid scalper prices for his 5080.
what are people doing?
Dude... read some reviews. I would argue the 5080 is not as bad as people make out if you are upgrading from a much older card, but from a 4080 it's literally the worst upgrade you could make.
keeping Jensen in a comfortable lifestyle
It's not really, creative flare still exists and will remain to exist with AI tech helping make more detailed and varied games like it is currently.
MFG is just a feature you can use or not, it doesn't matter at the end of it, the game is still the game, just like using x2 frame gen on other cards. Doesn't change the actual game if it's a well developed game..
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