11600k in 2025? :D

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My current system is:
- 10600k
- 2070s
- 16GB 3600

I like to buy AAA games 2 years after release and play them at 1440 (my monitor's max).
Recently, I am no longer able to sustain +50 fps and feeling the need to upgrade.

I have the option to upgrade to a 11600k by giving my 10600k and adding £30. This should yield about 10% CPU performance and unlock PCI-E 4.0.
I know it's a very small gain but it's a cheap in-socket upgrade.
Money and time are very tight for me right now. So, I am considering it...

For the GPU, I am thinking a used 6900xt or 7800xt.

Do you reckon it's still all just a waste of time and money and I should just OC the 10600k (because, perhaps, the 6900xt won't saturate a PCI-E 3.0 anyway)

What's confusing me is that I am looking at some tests where the kinda games I would play right now (circa 2023) are performing at 80-120 fps on the 11600k (with a 4090 in the test system LOL) at 1080p.
I am thinking: If it's 1080, then the bottleneck is the CPU and therefore playing at 1440p should be more or less the same load on the CPU and I will be well bottlenecked by the GPU for a couple more years before the platform finally needs to be retired.

Maybe even the 11600k would be fine with a PCI-E 5.0 9070xt? It's only a single PCI-E generation behind and, on high-ish settings, the bottleneck is at the GPU? Or am I totally dillusional? :D
 
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It is really hard to give decent advice without knowing exactly which games you're struggling to hit 60 fps, but you can at least monitor those games and see what is happening with your CPU/GPU usage.

On release, the 11600K was barely any faster, but it does seem to have pulled ahead a bit over time, maybe the higher IPC having an impact beyond just apps.

What is the motherboard, by the way? Not all motherboards supported the upgrade.
 
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Let's say: Warhammer Space Marine 2, Remnant 2 (Not Flight Sim or Cities Skylines). I am not a competitive player either, just enjoying some vivid co-op games with the Mrs. (Who has a much better PC) :D

Mobo is: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS PRO AX
 
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Mustey said:
Let's say: Warhammer Space Marine 2, Remnant 2 (Not Flight Sim or Cities Skylines). I am not a competitive player either, just enjoying some vivid co-op games with the Mrs. (Who has a much better PC) :D

Mobo is: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS PRO AX
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I see. What other benchmarks did you find for those games?

Having a look at these (they're just GPU, unfortunately), I wonder if you're actually hitting a GPU bottleneck?

What does your percentage of CPU/GPU usage say when you're playing the game?

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The computer is in parts now as it hasn't been dusted since inception back in 2019 :D
I am pretty sure it is indeed a GPU bottleneck.

I wasn't very good at outlining the premise of my question (maybe even my whole thinking about it) :D
I guess what I am really asking is: "If I tend to play visuals-first games at 1440-high, only using affordable GPU's, then does the 11600k have legs to carry me into the 9070xt era?"
 
This review seems to indicate that it's not such a bad idea:
Assuming the 14600k is a CPU kind of in the premium range as of today, the FPS is certainly fine at 1080p and then the 11600k should be even closer to the better CPUs at 1440p, right?
 
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This review seems to indicate that it's not such a bad idea:
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Hmm, I'm not a big fan of videos without gameplay footage.

Mustey said:
I wasn't very good at outlining the premise of my question (maybe even my whole thinking about it) :D
I guess what I am really asking is: "If I tend to play visuals-first games at 1440-high, only using affordable GPU's, then does the 11600k have legs to carry me into the 9070xt era?"
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I think the answer is always going to be "it depends". For some games: absolutely yes, but for other games: you'll face a big bottleneck.

My main concern isn't really the question: "can I upgrade my GPU?", because yes, I'm sure you will benefit from that in graphically demanding games at 1440p, the question I'm struggling with: is it worth upgrading a 10600K to a 11600K?

The difference is generally pretty small and it is likely to use a chunk more power, but for £30 I'd just go for it because you at least won't lose any performance.
 
I guess one interesting thing would be to buy a 9070xt (assuming they aren't hens teeth) and see how mine does, on the 11600k, compared to a decent AM5.
Would kinda answer that question (on the games tested).
Next tax year might be better for me and then I might even consider a platform swap - but give that idea a test, for ***** and giggles :)
 
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I guess one interesting thing would be to buy a 9070xt (assuming they aren't hens teeth) and see how mine does, on the 11600k, compared to a decent AM5.
Would kinda answer that question (on the games tested).
Next tax year might be better for me and then I might even consider a platform swap - but give that idea a test, for ***** and giggles :)
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Yeah, that would be cool to see.

From what I'm aware, the 11600K generally falls behind an i5-12400F or Ryzen 5600, but above a Ryzen 3600 and that level of performance tops out around a 4070/4070 Super or 7800 XT (depending on the game). If your card performs a lot better than those, it'll be holding it back some, even at 1440p.

Anything on the level of a 4080 / 7900 XTX or better, really needs a high-end CPU like a 7800X3D to get the best out of it, but as always some games are more or less GPU dependent.
 
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I'd just upgrade the GPU personally to start with and see how the games you play run. Decide from there, about the cpu and or mobo.
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This would be the route I would take. There's no point spending more money on a dead socket a few generations old, especially when the performance uplift isn't that impressive.
If you were asking if going from a Ryzen 3600 to a 5700x3d, then yes...but alas it isn't the case.
 
Remnant II ran like crap for me on a 3060ti and 3700X, and it was partly due to only having 8gb of VRAM. Simply moving to a 4070 made a huge difference, while I later happily upgraded to a 5800X3D I'd not waste my time with a 11600K.

Remnant II being an UE5 game, it does like a decent CPU too, but that is helpful in that it's indicative of performance in any game running the engine. I'd opt for a 7800XT unless you're willing to wait, if that's no better consider the CPU but 10% uplift isn't that much in reality and you'd be better off with a platform shift if the CPU isn't up to snuff. The fact you obtain PCI-E Gen 4 hardly matters, even on the 5090 there's around 5% between PCI-E 3.0 and 5.0, the cards you're looking at wont be limited.

Edit: For reference, that was (at the time) while running 2560x1080, which in terms of performance requirements is exactly half way between 1080p and 1440p.
 
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going from a 10600 to an 11600 is in my view painless, if you want to keep the same set up at least move to a 700 so 10700 or 11700 this will give you 2 more core and 4 more threads.
there is a lot of headway to be made with a GPU upgrade
 
I wouldn’t be spending money on an old platform, just OC the cpu to 5+ ghz all core oc the ring and the ram too and then just get a new gpu.
 
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Joxeon said:
I wouldn’t be spending money on an old platform, just OC the cpu to 5+ ghz all core oc the ring and the ram too and then just get a new gpu.
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this yes, if you dont have an OC then your leaving about 8% on the table, but in a lot of new games 6c/12t is not upto the job even at 1440p
if you got an 11700k that gives to 8c/16t thats a much better hill to be sitting on

but GPU would be the big upgrade even just a secondhand 3080/4070s would be massive
 
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WARburton said:
this yes, if you dont have an OC then your leaving about 8% on the table, but in a lot of new games 6c/12t is not upto the job even at 1440p
if you got an 11700k that gives to 8c/16t thats a much better hill to be sitting on

but GPU would be the big upgrade even just a secondhand 3080/4070s would be massive
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About 15% if you tune the core the ring and ram, it’ll match a stock 10900k.

GN does a guide.

 
Joxeon said:
About 15% if you tune the core the ring and ram, it’ll match a stock 10900k.

GN does a guide.

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thats a 4 year old guide, newer games like more cores, and pushing into the future....
also they used faster and OC/tighter timings ram and a ring OC with the 10600 but not the 10900......

lets also point out GN said it closes the gap they didnt say it was a win.
so lets move to a 11700k add the same OC and add the same ram.
also it didnt best the 10900k in any games... again with stock ring with slower ram
 
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WARburton said:
thats a 4 year old guide, newer games like more cores, and pushing into the future....
also they used faster and OC/tighter timings ram and a ring OC with the 10600 but not the 10900......

lets also point out GN said it closes the gap they didnt say it was an out out win.
so lets move to a 11700k so the same OC and add the same ram.
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11th gen doesn’t OC as well in fact it loses to a 10900k so pointless upgrading to an 11700k.

OC the 10600k for now, upgrade the gpu first and then start saving for AM5 would be my recommendation.
 
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