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humbug said:
So they go right in to "it needs to be 30% cheaper, but its not us saying that, its you" no... you set the tone, if you're telling people its not worth buying, which you do, then people are not going to buy it, you can't behave like an influencer and then say its nothing to do with us, its all on you, if you're going to tell people what to do then at least own it instead of weaselling your way out of your responsibility of how you are shaping the market in your image.
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If you think everyone who buys a GPU watches/listens to what HUB say i think you maybe mistaken, the people telling AMD their cards are not worth buying at the price they're asking are the people buying GPUs, that's how markets work.

AMD have tried being 10-20% cheaper (at launch) and people, via how many buy them, have voted with their wallets. Most people are not stupid, if you confront them with a 10-20% price difference on a £500-600 product most people simply won't care, it's hardly even worth a second look for a lot of people because £50-100 simply doesn't shift the needle when you're spending that amount.

What shifts the needle is being able to buy something that gives you a tier higher performance/quality for a tier lower price.
 
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Murphy said:
If you think everyone who buys a GPU watches/listens to what HUB say i think you maybe mistaken, the people telling AMD their cards are not worth buying at the price they're asking are the people buying GPUs, that's how markets work.

AMD have tried being 10-20% cheaper (at launch) and people, via how many buy them, have voted with their wallets. Most people are not stupid, if you confront them with a 10-20% price difference on a £500-600 product most people simply won't care, it's hardly even worth a second look for a lot of people because £50-100 simply doesn't shift the needle when you're spending that amount.

What shifts the needle is being able to buy something that gives you a tier higher performance/quality for a tier lower price.
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A 20% discount is a 20% discount, its not trivial just because its "only £100" If you're shopping for £500 GPU's £100 is quite a lot of money.
 
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Have we any indication at all of when we will get reviews/benchmarks? I'm getting a 7900xtx Friday with a 30 day return window, hoping reviews come out within that window (not that I think price/performance will change my mind anyway)
 
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humbug said:
A 20% discount is a 20% discount, its not trivial just because its "only £100" If you're shopping for £500 GPU's £100 is quite a lot of money.
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It's not a discount though is it, it's what the/a product costs.

If you're shopping for a £500 GPU you're shopping for a £500 GPU, you're not going out to buy a £500 GPU only to see a £400 GPU and thinking to yourself I'll buy that because £100 cheaper, you go out to buy a £500 GPU and buy what gets you the most for your money.
 
Murphy said:
It's not a discount though is it, it's what the/a product costs.

If you're shopping for a £500 GPU you're shopping for a £500 GPU, you're not going out to buy a £500 GPU only to see a £400 GPU and thinking to yourself I'll buy that because £100 cheaper, you go out to buy a £500 GPU and buy what gets you the most for your money.
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This is exactly what i did.
 
humbug said:
This is exactly what i did.
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So instead of spending the same amount of money to get more performance you choose to get the same performance but save £100?

Why am i finding that hard to believe, could it be that outside of the money is no object type of people I've never heard of someone deciding on what GPU to buy based exclusively on performance, how most people seem to set a budget rather than a minimum required FPS.
 
Murphy said:
So instead of spending the same amount of money to get more performance you choose to get the same performance but save £100?

Why am i finding that hard to believe, could it be that outside of the money is no object type of people I've never heard of someone deciding on what GPU to buy based exclusively on performance, how most people seem to set a budget rather than a minimum required FPS.
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I was one of many that did the same buying a 7800xt which I thought was bang on performance (within 2% of previous gen flagship 6900XT) for just over £400.

The 9070 (non XT) needs to be at most £499 for 30% generational uplift over the 7800XT (aka True 7700xt) which was 50% faster than a 6700XT which was similarly priced.
 
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Murphy said:
Why am i finding that hard to believe, could it be that outside of the money is no object type of people I've never heard of someone deciding on what GPU to buy based exclusively on performance, how most people seem to set a budget rather than a minimum required FPS.
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It’s not a GPU, but this sort of approach is how I dealt with my most recent RAM purchase. I settled on a 6000 32gb cl28 kit for a ‘relatively peanuts’ £150. Very nominal gaming performance gains above that, as far as I could tell, so why spend more.

That is the sort of thing you can throw hundreds more at and see no real world difference, despite shaving off 10 seconds or so in an AIDA benchmark.

So yeah I can understand people doing this is they are self aware that they’re already spending a ton on the rest of their rig.
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
I was one of many that did the same buying a 7800xt which I thought was bang on performance (within 2% of previous gen flagship 6900XT) for just over £400.
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To be clear I'm not saying no one sets a performance target and buys the cheapest GPU that reaches whatever FPS, I'm sure there are some people who say they want a GPU that can do 60 FPS in Valorant (or whatever) and buy the cheapest GPU that is closest to their FPS target.

I'm saying that i strongly suspect most people set a budget and try to get the most performance within that budget, rather than the other way around.
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It’s not a GPU
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Indeed.
 
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Murphy said:
So instead of spending the same amount of money to get more performance you choose to get the same performance but save £100?

Why am i finding that hard to believe, could it be that outside of the money is no object type of people I've never heard of someone deciding on what GPU to buy based exclusively on performance, how most people seem to set a budget rather than a minimum required FPS.
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From what I gather he was happy with his purchase and showed it beating the competition. Falls on deaf ears when there's an 80/20 mindshare though.
 
humbug said:
A 20% discount is a 20% discount, its not trivial just because its "only £100" If you're shopping for £500 GPU's £100 is quite a lot of money.
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The RX7800XT launched way after the RTX4070 and the street price of the latter had dropped too. The RTX4070 got terrible reviews because it was too expensive.

If the RX7800XT has launched weeks after the RTX4070 launch at £500ish,it would have done well.

The RX7600 launched at only a slightly lower price than the RTX4060,but had worse power consumption and RT performance. If they had launched the RX7600XT instead they would have made the RTX4060 look worse.

The RX7900XT and RX7700XT positioning against the RX7900XTX and RX7800XT made no sense.

Most of the RX7000 series issues were due to delayed launches and positioning IMHO.
 
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KNiVES said:
Hm, I don't miss having to find omega drivers because ATi made rubbish drivers. I don't miss their horrific naming schemes where you'd buy something like a 9200SE and it was like less than half the speed of a 9200.
When AMD bought them out, their act got cleaned up big time.
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I never had an issue with drivers, but yes the numbering system left a lot to be desired.

Amd still do that with their mobile chips..
 
Instead of worrying about Nvidia's pricing AMD should look at this chart add in where their cards fall in terms of performance "probably around the 60 tier" and price at the level that these tiers were traditionally priced at + inflation.

The GPU market is broken and if AMD can fix it then they will gain a huge amount of goodwill and marketshare.

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