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Sounds like paid actors, the real question is price always.
There is no production issues for stock at all, only if you intentionally withhold production like Nvidia did for the 5000 series.
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Yep.
For me I'll probably 100% get a 9070xt at this point the prices of the 5080 have ruled it out.
If it launches at 599 I'll be a little liberal with my spending and will likely get a decent AIB, if it launches at 699 ill likely wait for stock availability for an entry model.
I've waited years i can wait longer if needed.
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They can have as much stock as they want,but if the RX9070 non-XT starts at £550 to £600 and offers 30% over the £480 RX7800XT,it would be another case of paying more for more performance.
Example of price performance at 30% improvement over an RX7800XT at launch:
1.)£480=30% price performance improvement
2.)£550=13.45% price performance improvement
3.)£600=4% price performance improvement
Rumours hint that the RTX5070 is around RTX4070 Super levels of performance. At £540 that would mean it is 16% faster than an RX7800XT or 3% better price performance than an RX7800XT at £480.
So,even at price parity the RX9070 non-XT at almost RX7900XT performance would be "better" but it will still be horrible generation overall.
But it's even worse when you consider street pricing - the RX7800XT dipped below £400 and the RTX4070 Super could be had for under £500 last year.
I just hope all the AMD fans,try looking at absolute numbers,just not relative to Nvidia. The issue is that AMD generally prices relative to Nvidia. It takes one badly priced card for it to mess up the whole pricing structure for ALL dGPUs.
This relative pricing is why dGPUs are stagnating - the mainstream cards get pushed up and you end up with an RTX4060TI series scenario.
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After witnessing the 5000 series I have no loyalty I will buy MSRP where it's available I'll not be pre-scalped I'm patient. I'd prefer to buy from OCUK but im not going to be bent over.
Have been thinking exactly the same. I'm wanting to upgrade from my 3070 card, and was looking towards waiting for the 5070Ti (in order to get the extra VRAM). But I might make the switch back to AMD if the performance and price is a better combo.
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We needn't pretend they aren't working together for the price hikes. Out of the three companies giving us GPUs, I think only Intel isn't at the table of price-fixing, and that's only because they haven't released something good enough yet.
Surprisingly good. I'm playing a bit of Once Human atm and everything is buttery smooth which I didn't expect. Sure settings aren't maxed but running it 3440x1440 with FSR quality and pushing 100+ fps at all time. No blurry mess just clean acceptable graphics. Also tried a bit of Dying Light 2. Same thing. Mostly high settings at 3440x1440 with FSR 2 on quality and pushing around 70-100 fps.
EDIT: One thing that seems odd and must be me/my eyes, but FSR seems less blurry than on my 6950XT and no, I'm not using XeSS as it likes to crash my games all the time
, so still some software quirks. Overall experience so fare is positive. Pair this GPU with a cheap 5700X3D and you got a solid gaming rig for not much money.
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I am looking at the timespy extreme estimate of 14,500 for the Asus 9070XT at stock, looking at the 330 watt limit and thinking - yep thats a fast card that is like a 4080 but not really too power hungry.
The 4080 was crazy expensive at times, if the 9070XT (AIB) is the card that can get a 4080 (AIB) level of performance into peoples hands for 800 GBP inc. (AIB) that seems like a good deal to me.
On the flip slide to that the 5070ti, its the card that Nvidia have been forced to make due to the 9070 series but on the other hand, it might not be as power efficient as you would expect. Nvidia really need a die shrink. The 5080 is dissapointing in the perf and power draw department.
I saw Jayz video over the weekend and the 5090 was pulling 737watts which is wild!
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The rumor is that 5070ti is going to be short on supply as well. So £749 MSRP could be £900 street price.
So we'll have 5080 at £1,200, 5070Ti at £900. Where does 9070 XT fit in? I think £700 is maximum, but even that is unappealing.
I would say just buy a 7900XTX instead, but they're out of stock. If NVIDIA and AMD continue the practice of stopping production 6+ months before each new gen, then I think there's not much hope of prices ever going down. In fact, they could just keep the production of cards low indefinitely for higher profits, like crude oil/OPEC
So we'll have 5080 at £1,200, 5070Ti at £900. Where does 9070 XT fit in? I think £700 is maximum, but even that is unappealing.
I would say just buy a 7900XTX instead, but they're out of stock. If NVIDIA and AMD continue the practice of stopping production 6+ months before each new gen, then I think there's not much hope of prices ever going down. In fact, they could just keep the production of cards low indefinitely for higher profits, like crude oil/OPEC
The rumor is that 5070ti is going to be short on supply as well. So £749 MSRP could be £900 street price.
So we'll have 5080 at £1,200, 5070Ti at £900. Where does 9070 XT fit in? I think £700 is maximum, but even that is unappealing.
I would say just buy a 7900XTX instead, but they're out of stock. If NVIDIA and AMD continue the practice of stopping production 6+ months before each new gen, then I think there's not much hope of prices ever going down. In fact, they could just keep the production of cards low indefinitely for higher profits, like crude oil/OPEC
How much is 7900XTX ? Doesn't really appeal to me , with RDNA 4 now having hardware upscaling and RT seems to be big jump while using less power
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799inc. 9070XT (AIB) is absolutley appealing if you can buy one directly from OCUK.
If you need to buy a 5070ti from a scalper on fleabay, it is not appealing at any price.
Nvidia have been very good at offering a 5070ti founders edition type-of-card that you can't buy for 799inc but you are able to get a 5070ti type-card in AIB form for 899+
If you need to buy a 5070ti from a scalper on fleabay, it is not appealing at any price.
Nvidia have been very good at offering a 5070ti founders edition type-of-card that you can't buy for 799inc but you are able to get a 5070ti type-card in AIB form for 899+
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Starts at £650, this is a good version of it but i think the 9070 XT will be better in raster and as you said much better in RT, its just about price...
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That’s why I think the cards won’t be as cheap as people are trying to make out. If the 7900XTX isn’t available anymore and the new card is close and beats it in RT, they may just price is the same around the £800-£1000 mark.