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Besty said:
The 4080 was crazy expensive at times, if the 9070XT (AIB) is the card that can get a 4080 (AIB) level of performance into peoples hands for 800 GBP inc. (AIB) that seems like a good deal to me.
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I dont see any way that £800 would be considered a good deal. It might be 'good' relative to Nvidias offerings, but it is not close to what I would label a value for money. For me that just highlights how conditioned we have become to accept dog turd pricing.
 
It’s wild how much the 7900GRE has climbed in price (here at least) recently. Even at current pricing though, if it even came close to £800 for their next cards, it would be hilariously bad value compared to that card.
 
I'm still happy with my 7900XT, and I don't play any games that rely heavily on RT. I will closely be watching the 9070(XT) release though to see how things pan out!

I think at anything <£700, especially if it can trade blows with a 4080S/5070Ti, AMD will have a winner on their hands.
 
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I think to compete with NVIDIA's mindshare advantage, AMD need to price their cards exactly the same as NVIDIA, but be faster.

For example, the 9070 XT should be $750, but 30% faster than the 5070ti.

It's too awkward to be 13.3% cheaper and 12.7% faster, which does work out to the same 30% price/performance improvement. Doing it this way makes the AMD feel like the 'budget' card and the NVIDIA feel like the 'premium' card, and price/performance gets lost in the numbers. Does that make sense?

For marketing purposes, it should "same price, 30% faster". Simple.
 
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It doesnt make business sense to sell a product that is 4080<>4080 Super levels of performance for less than half the price of a 5080.

Yes, Nvidia can brag that a 5080 is $999 on their U.S homepage, but in the EU I can't buy a Asus 5080 locally for less than 1,500 EUR inc.

Point being, the price levels have moved on from 2015 :)
 
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Besty said:
I am looking at the timespy extreme estimate of 14,500 for the Asus 9070XT at stock, looking at the 330 watt limit and thinking - yep thats a fast card that is like a 4080 but not really too power hungry.

The 4080 was crazy expensive at times, if the 9070XT (AIB) is the card that can get a 4080 (AIB) level of performance into peoples hands for 800 GBP inc. (AIB) that seems like a good deal to me.

On the flip slide to that the 5070ti, its the card that Nvidia have been forced to make due to the 9070 series but on the other hand, it might not be as power efficient as you would expect. Nvidia really need a die shrink. The 5080 is dissapointing People need to stop accepting Turing V2,aka,as the RTX4000 series pricing.
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The RX7900XTX is around 30% faster than an RX7900GRE which could be had for under £500 last year. The RX7900XTX was already RTX4080 level performance for less than £800 last year,with 50% more VRAM.The RTX4080 was awfully priced at launch - I expect most were sold in pre-built systems.

Nvidia took the RTX4050 and renamed it an RTX4060. Nvidia took the RTX4060/RTX4060TI and renamed it an RTX4070. Price performance barely moved - dGPU sales are declining year on year. Most of the Steam top10 is sub £500 cards.

There are more RTX3080 cards on Steam than the RTX4080 and RTX4080 Super put together.

Nvidia is just creating an artificial scarcity model for the FOMO whales to indulge in. PCMR needs to stop indulging this - an £800 AMD RTX4080 would essentially mean RTX4070 level performance would still stay at £450 to £550.

That would mean a £1000 gaming PC wouldn't be faster than a £600 to £700 PS5 PRO!

Pricing relative to a rubbish deal,does not make it a good deal! This is the same scenario with Apple and Samsung phones at their RRP. It's only well you step away,you realise how there are many other options which are a better value.
 
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Besty said:
It doesnt make business sense to sell a product that is 4080<>4080 Super levels of performance for less than half the price of a 5080.

Yes, Nvidia can brag that a 5080 is $999 on their U.S homepage, but in the EU I can't buy a Asus 5080 locally for less than 1,500 EUR inc.

Point being, the price levels have moved on from 2015 :)
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A lot of this doesn't apply to anything else, only GPUs have priced hiked.
 
Bidley said:
That just isn't true.
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The shrinkflation with graphics cards has been going on for years since Turing and is worse than a lot of other electronics IMHO,which seem to be affected much less. I have gotten so many decent deals on other electronics,it seems graphics cards have this big problem like Apple/Samsung phones - but it's the same with a lot of "gamer" orientated stuff which seems to have the "gamer" inflation in pricing.

That is because gamers just put up with it. Look at AAA games - full priced games for £100 which are half finished but with microtransactions and season passes. Yet,they keep doing it as it works. Put some RGB LEDs on a graphics card with a printed anime logo on the plastic shroud. Profit. Twitch girls selling used water. Gamers seem to be easy to market to.

But then look at how the margins of Nvidia,AMD,etc are and you realise they are at historically high levels. Whatever price increases they have are more than compensated by the shrinkflation.

An example in point. The RTX4070TI has a die size and memory configuration seen in an RTX3060 but was priced at nearly £800. Putting aside Pandemic price manipulation,the 60 series is targeted at £250 to £300 historically.

GDDR6/GDDR6X cost far more in 2020/2021 than in 2023. It can't be all down to TSMC 5NM being more expensive than Samsung 8NM - I find it hard to believe that the die costs a few £100 more to make. The RTX5070 is also essentially an RTX3060 configuration on a lagging TSMC node.

Nvidia was nearly at 60% margins IIRC coming into the Pandemic with at least half of that being gaming sales.

Gamers need to stop explaining away why the shrinkflation is happening. It's happening because gamers accept it and Nvidia/AMD like more money.
 
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Bidley said:
That just isn't true.
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Ram has gone down, remember what they used to cost? Ssds gone down, motherboards haven't gotten cheaper but they haven't gotten more expensive on average either. CPUs in general haven't gone up in price either.

Cases have actually gotten cheaper, PSU is all over the place but I don't feel for 800 watt PSU has gotten more expensive but id say high wattage have come down in price.

Laptops haven't gone up in price either.

Ips 4 k monitors have actually gone down in price massively and even oleds are dropping in price.

We are getting bigger and cheaper TVs that are actually good.

Only GPUs are going through this and it reeks of artificial manipulation.
 
Besty said:
The 4080 was crazy expensive at times, if the 9070XT (AIB) is the card that can get a 4080 (AIB) level of performance into peoples hands for 800 GBP inc. (AIB) that seems like a good deal to me.
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That would be a truly awful deal.

The 4080 super could be had at under £900 last year quite a few times. Sometimes under £850 even.

How is it possible to be excited at just a 4080 level card for £800 this year..?
 
Raelgun said:
Ram has gone down, remember what they used to cost? Ssds gone down, motherboards haven't gotten cheaper but they haven't gotten more expensive on average either. CPUs in general haven't gone up in price either.

Cases have actually gotten cheaper, PSU is all over the place but I don't feel for 800 watt PSU has gotten more expensive but id say high wattage have come down in price.

Laptops haven't gone up in price either.

Ips 4 k monitors have actually gone down in price massively and even oleds are dropping in price.

We are getting bigger and cheaper TVs that are actually good.

Only GPUs are going through this and it reeks of artificial manipulation.
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I took issue with the idea that only GPUs have increased in price since 2015. That is not true.

I'm not saying that GPU prices are fine.
 
Kev_19 said:
Would it be worth upgrading from a 6900xt to RX9070 or XT version? Currently gaming at 1440p.
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really only you can answer that, is there any game which you would like more performance in? Would you like more ray tracing performance? basically the 9070XT is going to be a 4080 level performance and 4070ti ray tracing so that is quite some uplift, me personally I would make the jump for newer titles that are to be released this year.
 
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