*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[TheRealDeal]

Some amazingly still think it is.

Spoiler

@TheRealDeal

Leave me out of it. It's not my fault Nvidias standard colour profile makes there image look inferior.

 

[TNA]

Leave me out of it. It's not my fault Nvidias standard colour profile makes there image look inferior.

Now that you here. Will you be upgrading?

 

[GhostDog1981]

Now that you here. Will you be upgrading?

TNA are you going to stick or twist? You seem happy with the bargain 4070ti you got last year or was it the year before lol?

 

[eeii]

Witcher 3 is really demanding but it’s great you’re having a good performance with it. You must have a 7900XTX from memory? - so I suppose I could still have a reasonable experience from my 2 levels lower tiered card.

7900xtx at 3840x1600. Give it a go at the res you play. You may be pleasantly surprised.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Now that you here. Will you be upgrading?

No my 7900xt still hammers all the games I play. I have to frame lock to 240fps in over half the games I play or use something like msaa 8x to bring the frame rate down. In the other games it's high hundreds in cod, f124 and Forza. No RT of course but online I have no time to be checking puddles.

 

[Combat squirrel]

So originally I'd planned to get a 5090, back before we knew the pricing. But given their availability and the pricing of all AIB cards not to mention the power issues, I decided I probably wouldn't go that route.
So then I was considering the 5080. I was a little disappointed in the 16GB VRAM, was hoping it might get 24GB, but 16GB seems to be the way of it this generation. At least the 5080 probably avoids the power issues of the 5090, but the availability and pricing still put me off. If I could get a 5080 at close to MSRP I would be very tempted to do that. 5070Ti is in a similar situation to the 5080 to me, stock and price are disappointing. MSRP isn't awful (given what we've become accustomed to) but I'm not sure when we'll see a decent number of cards hitting that.

So that leads me to the 9070XT. I might just have to risk trying AMD again. Stock levels look like they should be better, pricing is unknown but should be lower than the 5070Ti. The downsides are that FSR4 could well be supported by less games than DLSS and while I'd prefer to use neither, that doesn't seem to be the way we're heading. RT I'm not overly bothered about, but probably still going to be trailing Nvidia if only because of optimisations. Then there's also, from what I understand, not quite as much support for AMD with productivity stuff. It also means I have to go with the AMD driver software again and while I know a lot of people like it, I'm not a fan. Still at least the cards should be cheaper and more importantly, available. The downside of course is that it's AMD so I'm nervous to buy too soon as there's usually price drops just after I buy them.

So I'm not really sure what to do, the clever option would probably be to wait 6 months, see if AMD drop prices and see what Nvidia stock levels are like and if that has any impact on the silly prices we're seeing. But I'm not sure I have the patience to wait that long.
And if I do buy an AMD card there's the question then of which model. I'm not a fan of the power connector placement on the Nitro+, I've bought Pulse's before so would prefer to not buy one of them. I think Pure's are white Pulses. So that seems like Sapphire ruled out. Don't fancy XFX, so that leaves Powercolor or ASRock? In the past it's seemed like any of the companies that make Nvidia and AMD cards don't put too much effort into the AMD ones. But then which model to get, is it really worth paying for the more expensive models?

You're talking absolute nonsense, its an old wives tale 'AMD Drivers are bad' - rock solid mate, my 6800xt is flawless & actually sped up the card a good amount.......its nice its got a lot faster to the point I really dont need to upgrade, at all. No issues, no glitching, great IQ, no crashes, all very dull and just works

 

[Legion]

A few Gigabyte models listed on the US site with product pages and specs.

Search Results - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

www.gigabyte.com

 

[hornetstinger]

You're talking absolute nonsense, its an old wives tale 'AMD Drivers are bad' - rock solid mate, my 6800xt is flawless & actually sped up the card a good amount.......its nice its got a lot faster to the point I really dont need to upgrade, at all. No issues, no glitching, great IQ, no crashes, all very dull and just works

Yeah nothing wrong with AMD drivers and I noticed improved performance over time. Does that mean the initial drivers are inefficient or making new drivers more efficient?

Nvidia drivers don't seem to improve the cards fps. Does that mean the drivers are fully optimised or nvidia are too lazy to improve performance?

 

[adidan]

A few Gigabyte models listed on the US site with product pages and specs.

Search Results - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

www.gigabyte.com

Sapphire likewise (may have been posted already)

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT GPU

BOOST CLOCK Up to 2970 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Nitro new connection, Pulse both 2x8 pin.

 

[michty_me]

No my 7900xt still hammers all the games I play. I have to frame lock to 240fps in over half the games I play or use something like msaa 8x to bring the frame rate down. In the other games it's high hundreds in cod, f124 and Forza. No RT of course but online I have no time to be checking puddles.

What resolution do you play at?

 

[Legion]

Full list of cards with specs and product pages (so far)
The chat went so fast yesterday, I think a lot people interested missed the posts about the cards with product pages.

Sapphire 9070XT line up and specs.

Nitro+

NITRO+ AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT GPU

Up to 3060 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pure

PURE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT GPU

Up to 3010 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pulse

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT GPU

BOOST CLOCK Up to 2970 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

9070 line up and specs.

Nitro+

NITRO+ AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 GPU

Up to 2700 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pure

PURE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 GPU

Up to 2700 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pulse

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 GPU

BOOST CLOCK Up to 2520 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

XFX 9000 series line up and specs.

AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series

XFX AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series graphics cards.

www.xfxforce.com

Powercolor 9070XT line up.

Product∣PowerColor

PowerColor

www.powercolor.com

9070 Line up.

Product∣PowerColor

PowerColor

www.powercolor.com

Gigabyte.

Search Results - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

www.gigabyte.com

Asus.

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon™ RX 9070 XT OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT OC Edition

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT OC offers ultimate durability and cooling performance with military-grade components and a phase change GPU thermal pad.

www.asus.com

ASUS Prime Radeon™ RX 9070 XT OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT OC Edition

ASUS Prime Radeon RX 9070 XT OC Edition 16GB GDDR6 features a compact design with three axial-tech fans for supreme cooling.

www.asus.com

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon™ RX 9070 OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition offers ultimate durability and cooling performance with military-grade components and a phase change GPU thermal pad.

www.asus.com

ASUS Prime Radeon™ RX 9070 OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition

ASUS Prime Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition 16GB GDDR6 features a compact design with three axial-tech fans for supreme cooling.

www.asus.com

Acer

PREDATOR BiFrost Radeon™ RX 9070 XT OC 16GB Graphics Card​

https://www.acer.com/us-en/predator/desktops-and-all-in-ones/components/predator-bifrost-radeon-rx-9070-xt-oc-16g

PREDATOR BiFrost Radeon™ RX 9070 OC 16GB Graphics Card​

https://www.acer.com/us-en/predator/desktops-and-all-in-ones/components/predator-bifrost-radeon-rx-9070-oc-16g

 

[Shogun_Krayt]

That is more down to the guidelines for GPUs that are clearly not built with safety features in mind. The sapphire in question has 2x fuses that will blow to protect the GPU and the cable. They are most likely self resetting as well. Also looking at the sapphire GPU it has ample room to allow for a safe amount of flex on the cable. Well over the 30mm that your own images recommends.

A knowledgeable person like yourself could definitely find angles to minimize the possible uneven forces on the individual pins, but in general a restrictive design like this has potential to cause more user error in cases where folks don't know you shouldn't bend them certain ways. I really don't see the point in defending unnecessary design choices? Saving grace is that the card isn't that much of a power hog.

 

[TheRealDeal]

What resolution do you play at?

1440p

 

[hornetstinger]

A knowledgeable person like yourself could definitely find angles to minimize the possible uneven forces on the individual pins, but in general a restrictive design like this has potential to cause more user error in cases where folks don't know you shouldn't bend them certain ways. I really don't see the point in defending unnecessary design choices? Saving grace is that the card isn't that much of a power hog.

I would prefer cables that are on the far edge of the card, on the short side.

 

[michty_me]

1440p

Thanks, same as myself then, sounds like a decent bump in performance compared to the 3080 I have.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Nvidia drivers don't seem to improve the cards fps. Does that mean the drivers are fully optimised or nvidia are too lazy to improve performance?

They don't want to give you much performance otherwise you wont be upgrading fast enough.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

You're talking absolute nonsense, its an old wives tale 'AMD Drivers are bad' - rock solid mate, my 6800xt is flawless & actually sped up the card a good amount.......its nice its got a lot faster to the point I really dont need to upgrade, at all. No issues, no glitching, great IQ, no crashes, all very dull and just works

Nope, talking from experience.
To be clear, which bit of what I said do you think is nonsense?

Yeah nothing wrong with AMD drivers and I noticed improved performance over time. Does that mean the initial drivers are inefficient or making new drivers more efficient?

Nvidia drivers don't seem to improve the cards fps. Does that mean the drivers are fully optimised or nvidia are too lazy to improve performance?

Did one of the tech youtube channels actually test this and found that Nvidia drivers actually increased performance more over time than AMD?
I know there was a time when AMD did a big overhaul of their drivers and got a good performance increase, I wonder if that skewed perceptions into thinking AMD regularly make big gains through driver improvements?

Although assuming that you're correct and AMD do get improvements over time, I'd say that means the initial drivers are inefficient. The hardware doesn't change so I don't see why they'd be able to get more performance over time if it wasn't just improvements made in the software, which means they could've done it at the start in theory.

 

[kieran_read]

Full list of cards with specs and product pages (so far)
The chat went so fast yesterday, I think a lot people interested missed the posts about the cards with product pages.

Sapphire 9070XT line up and specs.

Nitro+

NITRO+ AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT GPU

Up to 3060 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pure

PURE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT GPU

Up to 3010 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pulse

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 XT GPU

BOOST CLOCK Up to 2970 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

9070 line up and specs.

Nitro+

NITRO+ AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 GPU

Up to 2700 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pure

PURE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 GPU

Up to 2700 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

Pulse

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 9070 GPU

BOOST CLOCK Up to 2520 MHz, 16GB/256 bit DDR6. 20Gbps Effective

www.sapphiretech.com

XFX 9000 series line up and specs.

AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series

XFX AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series graphics cards.

www.xfxforce.com

Powercolor 9070XT line up.

Product∣PowerColor

PowerColor

www.powercolor.com

9070 Line up.

Product∣PowerColor

PowerColor

www.powercolor.com

Gigabyte.

Search Results - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

www.gigabyte.com

Asus.

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon™ RX 9070 XT OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT OC Edition

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT OC offers ultimate durability and cooling performance with military-grade components and a phase change GPU thermal pad.

www.asus.com

ASUS Prime Radeon™ RX 9070 XT OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT OC Edition

ASUS Prime Radeon RX 9070 XT OC Edition 16GB GDDR6 features a compact design with three axial-tech fans for supreme cooling.

www.asus.com

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon™ RX 9070 OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition offers ultimate durability and cooling performance with military-grade components and a phase change GPU thermal pad.

www.asus.com

ASUS Prime Radeon™ RX 9070 OC Edition 16GB GDDR6​

ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition

ASUS Prime Radeon RX 9070 OC Edition 16GB GDDR6 features a compact design with three axial-tech fans for supreme cooling.

www.asus.com

I honestly don't know what model I want. I like the Sapphire Nitro X (honestly who doesn't) but i'm not sure i want that power connector.

 

[throwaway4372]

How is someone meant to know if a tuf, prime, nitro+, pure, or pulse is better? Garbage naming.

 

[eeii]

How is someone meant to know if a tuf, prime, nitro+, pure, or pulse is better? Garbage naming.

Clock speeds dear boy. Clock speeds.