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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

The GN review intro is savage :cry:

"The 50-series launch has been very up and down. The positives are... [silence]. And the negatives..."

Steve seems to be happy enough with the 9070 XT.
 
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Grim5 said:
To be clear, it is actually parity with DLSS3 CNN, which is amazing, but not quite matching DLSS4's Transformer though

A very big achievement for sure, finally both sides get a good upscaling solution
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But the AMD cards are faster at a similar price-point in most games and have more VRAM so have to rely on upscaling less often.
 
Looks like £700 for the Niro+ is more or less confirmed

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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
But the AMD cards are faster at a similar price-point in most games and have more VRAM so have to rely on upscaling less often.
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Well interesting hypothesis, but DLSS3 often looked better than TAA anyway and so with FSR4 you're gonna want to turn it on whenever it's available because it makes the image look better than TAA.

So I'm not sure I agree with your hypothesis of using upscaling less often, because as upscalers have gotten better in image quality, I'm finding myself using them more and more regardless of the fps
 
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Joxeon said:
Just watched the HW unboxed review for the 9070XT and performance seems a bit disappointing, basically a 4070ti super in raster at 1440p, a bit more at 4k but with 4070S RT, 4070ti supers were available last year for £650 so this is not a big win for AMD imo.
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It depends on games
It's basically a range from a 5080 to 4070ti lol.

At £569 if you can get it it's good
 
Joxeon said:
Just watched the HW unboxed review for the 9070XT and performance seems a bit disappointing, basically a 4070ti super in raster at 1440p, a bit more at 4k but with 4070S RT, 4070ti supers were available last year for £650 so this is not a big win for AMD imo.
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This is a roller coaster .... very much like the charts .... in some games it excels in others not so much
 
Grim5 said:
Well interesting hypothesis, but DLSS3 often looked better than TAA anyway and so with FSR4 you're gonna want to turn it on whenever it's available because it makes the image look better than TAA. So I'm not sure I agree with using upscaling less often, as upscalers have gotten better in image quality, I'm using them more and more regardless of the fps
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The Nvidia cards like the RTX5070 are starting from a lower peformance base,so will need to dip into lower quality DLSS modes more often. The lack of VRAM will also affect the internal render resolutions.

So even if DLSS4 Transformer has the edge,there will be many times the RTX5070 will need to use a lower internal resolution in the first place,which negates any realworld advantage.

The same goes with RT,the RX9070 non-XT is placed at RTX4070 Super level performance by TPU,which on average is around the same as the RTX5070:

In CB2077 there is no realworld difference anymore:

So,some of the weakness of the AMD RT model around RT reflections has been negated.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The Nvidia cards like the RTX5070 are starting from a lower peformance base,so will need to dip into lower quality DLSS modes more often. The lack of VRAM will also affect the internal render resolutions.

So even if DLSS4 Transformer has the edge,there will be many times the RTX5070 will need to use a lower internal resolution in the first place,which negates any realworld advantage.
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Performance modes with the transformer model has the same image quality as quality mode on the cnn model. So I'm not sure a 5070 using lower upscaling settings makes much of a difference either as it's likely to look the same as fSR4 quality. I still say both cards should turn on upscaling whenever available for better image quality
 
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Grim5 said:
Performance modes with the transformer model has the same image quality as quality mode on the cnn model. So I'm not sure a 5079 using lower upscaling settings makes much of a difference either. I still say both cards should turn on upscaling whenever available for better image quality
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Your beloved RTX5070 is not going to win here unless Nvidia gets serious on gimping performance in games. The RTX5070 only has 12GB of VRAM,so fall overs in certain RT scenarios too. With the PS5 PRO using RDNA4 and Sony caring a bit more about RT,the RTX5070 does even look that great longterm.

DF pretty much think the RTX5070 is RIP:

Across all games tested at all resolutions, I have the RTX 5070 Ti having an 8 percent RT advantage over the 9070 XT - but the AMD card comes ahead in the value stakes as the 5070 Ti's MSRP is 25 percent higher. Meanwhile, the tables turn with the non-XT vs 5070 comparison, with AMD holding a 5.5 percent RT advantage over Nvidia. Aggregating raster and RT results together - again across all resolutions - 5070 Ti beats 9070 XT by just three percent, while the 9070 non-XT bests the 5070 by nine percent.
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:cry:

AMD even beats the RTX5070 in efficiency with 33% more GDDR6 which consumes more power than GDDR7:

The RTX5070TI should be the RTX5070.

AMD basically just took an RX7800XT replacement and overclocked it a bit.
 
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