*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[GhostDog1981]

I think that's a fair assessment. But the higher-end models do have some real benefits, not least of which cooling and noise. Is that worth £140 more over a base model? Probably not, but everyone has their use case.

I think the issue is many people who have been looking for a new card are coming out an abusive relationship with nV and the market in general. So when finding out your current potenial partner farts in bed is a lot better than a partner who was high mantenaince, called you names, and gaslit you -- not a big deal.

That’s a great life analogy. I can see it now.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Not necessarily for the stock shortages, but the fake MSRP. It shows that AMD were still delusional on their initial pricing expectations. They must have been aiming a fair bit higher before they finally realised how stupid it would be.

I think AMD will have a steady stream of these GPUs being supplied to retailers, but the “real” MSRP is now $50 higher at least.

MSRP is exactly that, Suggested. Whether people follow it or not is not on AMD.

I don't like the fact that MSRP cards are basically impossible to find either however, and I do not condone the actions of stores and scalpers pumping up prices.

 

[Grim5]

Gibbo said yesterday that demand for the Nitro and Taichi looked incredible. And these are the models that sold the most today.
It makes no sense that there would be highest demand for the £700 cards.

Something doesn't add up.

My guess: there is a lot of Nvidia fans who want a GPU but can't buy one so they are looking at the 9070xt and they have more money to spend than the average amd fan, so they are buying the high end 9070xt models - people buying the top model 9070xt probably have 1k to spend and were hoping for a 5080nor have 800 to spend and were hoping for a 5070ti but there is no stock

 

[welshrat]

I think that's a fair assessment. But the higher-end models do have some real benefits, not least of which cooling and noise. Is that worth £140 more over a base model? Probably not, but everyone has their use case.

I think the issue is many people who have been looking for a new card are coming out an abusive relationship with nV and the market in general. So when finding out your current potenial partner farts in bed is a lot better than a partner who was high mantenaince, called you names, and gaslit you -- not a big deal.

My problem has always been that in the past I used to buy the lower end models and I always used to then wish I had paid the extra, no real performance reason as I am sure I would never know but its an itch I would always want to scratch.

Since buying the top of what I wanted I tend to be pretty happy until the next new shiny. Hopefully UDNA is a good few years away so that I can now enjoy the 9700XT for what it is.

 

[Gerard]

MSRP is exactly that, Suggested. Whether people follow it or not is not on AMD.

I don't like the fact that MSRP cards are basically impossible to find either however, and I do not condone the actions of stores and scalpers pumping up prices.

If amd had made an MBA card this time around then msrp cards may have been easier to come by in the days and weeks ahead. Irritating that they showed one off and it turned out to be either a render or 1 of a small batch to be used internally.

 

[humbug]

My guess: there is a lot of Nvidia fans who want a GPU but can't buy one so they are looking at the 9070xt and they have more money to spend than the average amd fan, so they are buying the high end 9070xt models

That's a good point, maybe Nvidia have pushed the price beyond what most Nvidia fans can stomach, combine that with AMD releasing a good GPU which they can may have pushed a lot of them over the edge.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

If amd had made an MBA card this time around then msrp cards may have been easier to come by in the days and weeks ahead. Irritating that they showed one off and it turned out to be either a render or 1 of a small batch to be used internally.

They're a MUCH smaller company than Nvidia, they can't do everything Nvidia do.

 

[Gerard]

They're a MUCH smaller company than Nvidia, they can't do everything Nvidia do.

They've made mba cards in the past. This is the first launch in quite some time from amd without one.

 

[Sumanji]

Yeah, I'm not reading through 30 pages of this

Can someone give me the skinny on what went down in the UK please?

Over here MSRP models vanished online in about 3 mins. More expensive models lasted about 15 mins. I went to my local Microcenter and there was a line of ~120 people. Moved fast, but they sold out of MSRP models before I could get one... Wasted trip

6900 XT for life, baby!

 

[humbug]

Yeah, I'm not reading through 30 pages of this

Can someone give me the skinny on what went down in the UK please?

Over here MSRP models vanished online in about 3 mins. More expensive models lasted about 15 mins. I went to my local Microcenter and there was a line of ~120 people. Moved fast, but they sold out of MSRP models before I could get one... Wasted trip

6900 XT for life, baby!

maybe Nvidia have pushed the price beyond what most Nvidia fans can stomach, combine that with AMD releasing a good GPU which they can may have pushed a lot of them over the edge. A lot of the green army turned red today

 

[Gerard]

Can someone give me the skinny on what went down in the UK please?

Many websites!

 

[Sargatanas2511]

They've made mba cards in the past. This is the first launch in quite some time from amd without one.

Yes, they have lowered their prices a fair bit and are cutting back as a result. Cost saving to keep the prices lower.

 

[iMacMart]

Many websites!

Haha classic response!

Love it

 

[Jono8]

I think that's a fair assessment. But the higher-end models do have some real benefits, not least of which cooling and noise. Is that worth £140 more over a base model? Probably not, but everyone has their use case.

I think the issue is many people who have been looking for a new card are coming out an abusive relationship with nV and the market in general. So when finding out your current potenial partner farts in bed is a lot better than a partner who was high mantenaince, called you names, and gaslit you -- not a big deal.

£140 to me is almost new tier levels of price increase though. Not just some fancy cooler/power delivery.

Ages ago i had a more premium model of a card and after that have decided to never bother again. Just not worth the premium most manufacturers want now.

 

[Mercurial]

Soooooo.....

After this happened....

Got a Pulse in the basket got to payment entered code for my card, submitted payment.....website crashed. Gah

this happened quite a few times over the course of 2 or so hours...(and not just on OcUK).

Caused this comment to age like milk...

I'd love a Nitro+/Taichi but if they're £100-£150 than a Pulse (if i'm lucky enough to get one at MSRP) then no ta.

FOMO/Frustration, whatever you want to call it I ended up ordering a Taichi, as i'm a bit of an Asrock sucker (for their GPUs and Mobos at least), admired the Taichi for the last few generations but I'm too much of a tightwad normally.

Copium/being part of problem/hypocrital; yep maybe so. But it's ordered and i'm looking forward to it, though I think I missed the cut off for delivery tomorrow, so i'll probably get it Monday.

At least it enables my son's build to go ahead now, as he'll be getting my current card (also an Asrock) for later this month.

PS. Also paying £100ish over the odds for (to me) a fancy pants card pales into insignificance every time I stick my head into the 50 series thread (and quickly leave).

 

[mahius]

Because it outperforms it, costs less, is just as efficient (actually moreso iirc) and is available?

Apologies if I'm wrong, MSRP for both is the same $550 is it not? And performance from the HUB review I saw puts both of them close. Availability isn't amazing since there's tons more of the XT, but admittedly people could buy them if they could get past server issues. So the non-XT doesn't exactly stomp all over the 5070. I'm not trying to defend a bad GPU, just saying that the poor pricing of the non-XT makes it barely better than what Nvidia has.

I at least have a 7800xt which is decent for the price I paid. Playing all my games happily but wanted a bit more RT oomph. Nice to have but not essential.

I wouldn't buy these new GPUs for RT, from benchmarks they still lag behing Nvidia a bit or a lot in some cases. Though depends on the game. But then again, RT isn't something worth turning on in most games anyway, so not much missed there. Raster performance is great though, a decent uplift over 7800XT. Personally, I'd wait another gen if I had a 7800XT, I only upgrade at double performance minimum I guess it depends on what games & resolution is needed, e.g. to hit 60fps in a hard to run title or something.

Nope. I'll buy the one at £570 and no more

These rumours of more drops by OCUK sound promising, exactly the sort of thing they'd do. Keep an eye on Gibbo's posts. It is admittedly frustrating, but there's hope yet. Maybe a sneaky forum announcement was the plan all along?

The amount of people trying to get £900 for the XT Pulse on ebay is crazy...

At that price, just buy a Nitro+ or Red Devil lol. Didn't expect the cheapest card to be the most popular, even when its no longer the cheapest

 

[Gerard]

Yes, they have lowered their prices a fair bit and are cutting back as a result. Cost saving to keep the prices lower.

The mba card probably was an impossibility at the msrp price point so it was cancelled and some aibs had to fill that gap for msrp cards (via kickbacks). Annoying as the render or whatever it was had an interesting design.

 

[Grim5]

Yeah, I'm not reading through 30 pages of this

Can someone give me the skinny on what went down in the UK please?

Over here MSRP models vanished online in about 3 mins. More expensive models lasted about 15 mins. I went to my local Microcenter and there was a line of ~120 people. Moved fast, but they sold out of MSRP models before I could get one... Wasted trip

6900 XT for life, baby!

Summary: Mommy Lisa Good! Daddy Jensen Bad!

 

[harmattan]

My guess: there is a lot of Nvidia fans who want a GPU but can't buy one so they are looking at the 9070xt and they have more money to spend than the average amd fan, so they are buying the high end 9070xt models - people buying the top model 9070xt probably have 1k to spend and were hoping for a 5080nor have 800 to spend and were hoping for a 5070ti but there is no stock

This was generally my situ. I didn't want to buy an nV, to be clear, but I has set out to buy and preordered a 5090. Had I been able to attain that card for a not too-inflated price, I would have -- I had £2400 just siting in another reseller's account. Due to a combination of a) realizing I don't need more than a "7900 xtx with better RT" (what I ironically said six months ago when rumors of the '8800 xt' started), b) being battered by nV BS and supply chain participants (who shall remain nameless, ahem) inflating prices, and an overall bad taste from the chicanery involved in the 5-series launch, topped with having other hobbies e.g. DIY gym, antique books, I decided 9070xt was my best Goldilocks option.

I'm not alone in the fact that I'm rationalizing these many things now, and many people have had enough and are simply looking for a better option than the mult-valenced absudity of the situation nV has created and is fostering. That better, more rational option turned out to be what AMD is offering: it's not perfect, but it's much better and more salubrious than throwing money at nV.

 

[t2na]

Many websites!

Hahaha this is brilliant.