new pc budget £5000

PAULRYAN52 said:
ok updated list, opinions please

Case Antec Flux PRO
MB Gigabyte AMD B850 AORUS ELITE
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 9800X3D
CPU Cooler Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420
RAM Corsair VENGEANCE Black 32GB 6000MHz 28 CAS
SSD Crucial T500 2TB
GPU Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT NITRO+
PSU be quiet! Power Zone 2 850
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I would change the following:
- Memory to 48GB or 64GB.
- Nitro to something that doesn't use the 16 pin (the old PCI-E 8 pins are better).

Why:
- Upgrades to 4 sticks are a pain with DDR5 and this is a high-end build.
- SPL's PSU tier list rates Antec's HCG Pro as A and the Be Quiet Power Zone 2 as B+. The HCG Pro is derived from Seasonic's Vertex, minus 2 years of warranty and there are plenty of users on here already. Not sure about the Power Zone 2.
- The 16 pin, I would always avoid using if possible.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £377.93 (includes delivery: £7.99)​
 
Case Antec Flux PRO
MB Gigabyte AMD B850 AORUS ELITE
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 9800X3D
CPU Cooler Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420
RAM Corsair Vengeance RGB Grey 64GB 6000MHz 28 CAS
SSD Crucial T500 2TB
GPU XFX Mercury RX 9070 XT OC Gaming
PSU Antec HCG1000 Pro Platinuim
 



I disagree...nothing wrong with the nitro+..the psu you've chosen even has the 12x4 connection for it. the gpu isnt a 5090 drawing 600w of power, the the connection is going to be fine, it's not going to melt jack, and that card is well built, premium finish and fast..and silent too. the hidden cable system is pretty awesome.

if you're going to spend £190 on a 1000w psu, might as well get the 1200w for £20 more..at least you can upgrade to a 5090 down the line or whatever is out at the time that has that king of power..600w draw, plus cpu and everything, you'll be running it 50-70%. rather than 80-90% (esp if down the line you upgrade your cpu also to something that might drink some more)...otherwise just ask whoevers building it for you for a decent psu with 10yrs warranty..
actually just had a look and the antec 1000w is £170 elsewhere so check price with your system builder..£190 too much. Asus tuf 1000w been a good seller, not too expensive..msi mpg a1000G also good..standard price£10 but ofter goes to £140(dfon't pay more)
nzxt c1200 gold can be had for £160 and is highly recommended by TPU..the 100w version is £144

:cry: we're back to the 32/64gb debate...
my view
32gb is more than enough for games he's listed. new games take years to develop and unless he's going to play heavily modded games such as DCS it's just wasted. Even new games coming out now aren't using anywhere close to 32gb in games

this guy own cataclysm games..guess he sells enough pc's not to want lots of returns..makes it nice and easy


hogwarts used 22gb that was highest hu got


that being said, £140 for 32gb is a lot for 6000c28 when 6000c30 can be had for under £100..stump up to £185 for 64 6000c30 if you have loads of chrome tabs and maybe your work is ram heavy...general pc stuff doesn't count there i think...but from what op said, think 32 is fine
@Tetras hope I'm not comiong across forcefull here...I enjoy our discussion on ram and genuinely not trying to just dismiss your view...i just havewn't found a game that comes close
now i've got my 'nitro+' :cry: , going to load cyberpunk again at high setting with rt and see ram useage..got hogwarts too so will see that seeing as theat was a heavy use case for HU
 
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Craig_d1 said:
:cry: we're back to the 32/64gb debate...
my view
32gb is more than enough for games he's listed. new games take years to develop and unless he's going to play heavily modded games such as DCS it's just wasted.
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For a lower budget, I do get it, but the budget is £5K, I just don't see the point in saving £100 here :o

A 9800X3D will last a long time, long enough that I think 64GB will be useful.
 
Tetras said:
For a lower budget, I do get it, but the budget is £5K, I just don't see the point in saving £100 here :o

A 9800X3D will last a long time, long enough that I think 64GB will be useful.
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i get it, but the £2k build (ie 9070xt)isn't high budget gaming now..that's the original scary £5k (which i agreed with you and said might as well spend the extra £100 just to round off the system)...9070xt is upper mid tier I'd say in performance, £569 if can get at msrp in future, def mid tier pricing...what i told myself when i bought it..upper is over £1k for gpu
anyway, as long as OP is aware, i think we've done our job. Some like the saftey net of the extra ram, and if that makes them more at ease, who am I to disagree. In a few year we might need 64 gb for standard gfaming...but i think by the time that happens will be on ddr7 and any high end gamer would have upgraded their mobo and ram to faster stuff by then
the last bit HU said about the 16 to 32gb debate is relevant to me...I went 32gb on my am4 ddr4 system when most people were buying 16gb...i got mine off back of a lorry for £170 for 2x16 when my ramcost £230 at ocuk ast time and those high end gamers were paying over £300 for the samsung b die...fast forward to when 16gb wasn't enough and my ram was less than £100...100% would have been cheaper for me to buy 16gb ram originally and just sell it and buy 32gb when it was required

I just reread your reply..and you said for lower budget you get it :cry: ..we're repeating ourselves....think the question is...at what point does a buid price get to when you just say 'sod it', just go with 64gb and forget about it?
(as long as 6000c30...nothing slower...not compromising on speed if it's basically 'spare capacity' for the moment)
I literally do want to boot some games up now..no idea if having a faster gpu actually makes any difference to ram useage..but also 1am in morning here.got 30mins then I calling it a night. i'll output at 1440 also, see if make a diff
 
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Craig_d1 said:
think the question is...at what point does a buid price get to when you just say 'sod it', just go with 64gb and forget about it?
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With my builds, my general rule is: if the CPU or the GPU can be upgraded to something that is better (for the usage), then I'd do that instead. If there's still money to spare (or not enough for the upgrade), then I go for 64GB.

Craig_d1 said:
the last bit HU said about the 16 to 32gb debate is relevant to me...I went 32gb on my am4 ddr4 system when most people were buying 16gb...i got mine off back of a lorry for £170 for 2x16 when my ramcost £230 at ocuk ast time and those high end gamers were paying over £300 for the samsung b die...fast forward to when 16gb wasn't enough and my ram was less than £100...100% would have been cheaper for me to buy 16gb ram originally and just sell it and buy 32gb when it was required
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That's always a possibility, but I would say that we've already reached the crossover point where 32GB has become the standard and there's some level of penalty you can encounter from not going higher.

For example: you might need to close down more apps, or Windows will be unable to cache/be doing lots of recycling and that slows down app responsiveness.

Keeping the PC on for longer (or for longer gaming sessions) can change memory usage too.

Craig_d1 said:
I literally do want to boot some games up now..no idea if having a faster gpu actually makes any difference to ram useage..but also 1am in morning here.got 30mins then I calling it a night. i'll output at 1440 also, see if make a diff
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Not sure on that one, don't recall seeing any benchmarks.
 
Craig_d1 said:
add a 9070xt such as nitro+ for £700, and you've got a great 1440p.put a different case on as alternative..can save some money going msrp 9070xt, but base price is up at mo, might as well go more premium..the nitro+ has the 6x2 connector and cables can be hidden, giving you a clean look too, though i like the pulse also as a msrp card, and seeing as you have no rgb, will keep to that look too
you can go aio..I've got an arctic air cooler in my system but just putting 360aio in ther as £77..
1000w psu overkill but gives you headroom for future gpu upgrades

so with a 9070xt you're £2k, go msrp and something like a peerless assasin aio or artic 36 freezer, and you're under

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,323.92 (includes delivery: £11.98)​
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this right here is what you need to buy.. if you really want to spend extra cash add a RTX5090 but spending 5K is just not needed
 
Gigabyte B850 Aorus Elite WIFI7 (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MOT-GIG-03856
£220 (incl. VAT)
£190 (incl. VAT)
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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail
PRO-AMD-03517
£540 (incl. VAT)
£425 (incl. VAT)
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Corsair Vengeance 32GB EXPO (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel
MEM-CRS-02786
£120 (incl. VAT)
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Crucial T500 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive
STO-CRU-01090
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Phanteks AMP GH 1000W 80PLUS Platinum ATX Power Supply Modular - Black
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Fractal Design North XL Full Tower Charcoal Black Case
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Tetras said:
With my builds, my general rule is: if the CPU or the GPU can be upgraded to something that is better (for the usage), then I'd do that instead. If there's still money to spare (or not enough for the upgrade), then I go for 64GB.


That's always a possibility, but I would say that we've already reached the crossover point where 32GB has become the standard and there's some level of penalty you can encounter from not going higher.

For example: you might need to close down more apps, or Windows will be unable to cache/be doing lots of recycling and that slows down app responsiveness.

Keeping the PC on for longer (or for longer gaming sessions) can change memory usage too.


Not sure on that one, don't recall seeing any benchmarks.
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Everybody makes good points and and given good advice but I generally agree with Tetras here, if budget was tight then 32GB is more than enough but he had a budget of £5000 and he has been saved almost £3000, so splashing extras £100 on 64GB ram is ok and extra £20 for the 1200w psu is also a no brainer, Generally the PSU is the part that last the longest ( my antec 1200w psu is still working after 15 years)and with graphics cards going up in power requirement over time, might as well bake some leeway in for the future.

whatever you do please do not buy CAS 26 or CAS 28 ram over CAS30 ram, it has very very little performance benefit with your 9800x3d. If they are very similar price ok but don't go paying extra £100 for cas 28 or 26 that would be a waste, might as well put that towards going from 32GB to 64GB ram.

good luck
 
AMDPower said:
Everybody makes good points and and given good advice but I generally agree with Tetras here, if budget was tight then 32GB is more than enough but he had a budget of £5000 and he has been saved almost £3000, so splashing extras £100 on 64GB ram is ok and extra £20 for the 1200w psu is also a no brainer, Generally the PSU is the part that last the longest ( my antec 1200w psu is still working after 15 years)and with graphics cards going up in power requirement over time, might as well bake some leeway in for the future.

whatever you do please do not buy CAS 26 or CAS 28 ram over CAS30 ram, it has very very little performance benefit with your 9800x3d. If they are very similar price ok but don't go paying extra £100 for cas 28 or 26 that would be a waste, might as well put that towards going from 32GB to 64GB ram.

good luck
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64gb ram it is, cas 28 £225.99 and cas 30 £!99.99 for rgb or £189.99 without, psu 1000w £169.99 1200w £209.99
 
The machine in my sig cost no where near 5k and is still excellent. If you're desperate to spend money you could get a 5090 instead, but you don't need to go mad.
 
hornetstinger said:
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Really? £5000 on a pc hardware and just awful sound?

Put aside a few hundred on speakers.
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While I fully agree with this view, sometimes it's easy to forget how little people care about sound/notice the quality. If it's something you do care about, you notice it immediately but that's definitely a minority I think!
 
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