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arknor said:
yea and they arent a good speaker brand, its low end mass market stuff, so proves my point.
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Define low end, and not good?

I was about to say thier speakers generally beat the pants off of, say Swiss owned logitecs offerings, but then they are *checks notes* also made in china.

My dell keyboard, also made in china
My Anker mouse..china
My creative desktop speakers..china
My Belkin wireless charger..china
My sony headphones...
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And that's just some stuff that's right in front of me on my desk right now...

See a pattern developing here?

I could go into my kitchen, and start readin lables, but, well, is that really required?
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mattyfez said:
Define low end, and not good?

I was about to say thier speakers generally beat the pants off of, say Swiss owned logitecs offerings, but then they are *checks notes* also made in china.

My dell keyboard, also made in china
My Anker mouse..china
My creative desktop speakers..china
My Belkin wireless charger..china
My sony headphones...
...

And that's just some stuff that's right in front of me on my desk right now...

See a pattern developing here?

I could go into my kitchen, and start readin lables, but, well, is that really required?
:cry::cry::cry:
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Fact is China can make anything, the standard/spec comes from whatever the customer specifies. Arknor is just spewing his usual nonsense.
 
200sols said:
Fact is China can make anything, the standard/spec comes from whatever the customer specifies. Arknor is just spewing his usual nonsense.
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Fair point but my anker ergonomic mouse is superb and cheap! I have two of them... One for each PC..

My cube mountain bike frame.. German company but manufacturing is... No prizes for guessing!

My carbon fiber wheels... China

If you think about it... You really can't move for Chinese stuff... Good/bad high end /low end it doesn't matter... It's made to customer spec, simple as that.

That's the point I'm trying to make...
 
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Uther said:
That new list of exemptions makes me think they didn't know what they were doing...
Market will pop on Monday.
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I hope so! my £2000 test investment I made last week showed a slight recovery on friday, but I'm still £50 down!!!

And it would have been worse if I didn't have half of it in a developed europe ETF, as my global ETF is very heavily weighted to the US.
 
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mattyfez said:
Fair point but my anker ergonomic mouse is superb and cheap! I have two of them... One for each PC..

My cube mountain bike frame.. German company but manufacturing is... No prizes for guessing!

My carbon fiber wheels... China

If you think about it... You really can't move for Chinese stuff... Good/bad high end /low end it doesn't matter... It's made to customer spec, simple as that.

That's the point I'm trying to make...
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In theory it's made to customer spec, but it never actually seems to be as well made as older versions made in Europe/UK/US, supposedly to the same specs.
 
Nasher said:
In theory it's made to customer spec, but it never actually seems to be as well made as older versions made in Europe/UK/US, supposedly to the same specs.
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It really depends... Just one example because I already mentioned it and I'm familiar with it..

My mountain bike frame.. Cube are designed, prototyped, and QC'd in Germany.

So that's one way of maintaining supply chain quality.. If the company actually does due diligence.

China dont care..if you tell your factory you want cheaper, you get cheaper, but that's on the customers buyer placing an order for 100,000 items... it's not really a reflection on chinese manufacturing.
 
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mattyfez said:
It really depends... Just one example because I already mentioned it and I'm familiar with it..

My mountain bike frame.. Cube are designed, prototyped, and QC'd in Germany.

So that's one way of maintaining supply chain quality.. If the company actually does due diligence.
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But I suspect if it was made in Germany the quality would be even higher and QC tighter.
 
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throwaway4372 said:
Japan, their tech was solid.
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Yea exactly, e.g. I remember all the problems with Chinese made capacitors and why everyone went back to Japanese ones. Companies asked China to make them, but they either cut corners or read the designs wrong.

Compare Chinese made clothing to older western made items. Huge difference with the material, stitching and sizing quality. Chinese made clothes are never stitched very well or fit properly. That's down to skill.
 
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mattyfez said:
It really depends... Just one example because I already mentioned it and I'm familiar with it..

My mountain bike frame.. Cube are designed, prototyped, and QC'd in Germany.

So that's one way of maintaining supply chain quality.. If the company actually does due diligence.

China dont care..if you tell your factory you want cheaper, you get cheaper, but that's on the customers buyer placing an order for 100,000 items...
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Nasher said:
But I suspect if it was made in Germany the quality would be even higher and QC tighter.
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How so... the frames are made of Aluminium,or carbon if you are fancy, at a certain grade of metal and a certain thickness, and they are machine welded so are incredibly consistent and reliable.

I dread to think how much this would cost if it was made in the EU: https://www.cube.eu/be-en/cube-stereo-one22-race-rawmetal-n-black/835200 its already 2500 EUROS!
 
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The only real way manufacturing will come back to the west is through significant automation. Robotics is likely the next big Industrial Revolution but China are running away with that too. That is viable for the West if they want it.
 
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