Help me decide on these two AIOs for a 9800X3D/X870E build

evo4ever86 said:
I bought ASUS because they kinda LOOK good. And they're not the most successful PC parts brand (arguably) for nothing.

Jesus how many more ASUS-trolls and keyboard warriors have I got to defend my self from? Get a life.
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Or you could have bought a artic 420 Pro for less money?

I've owned Asus before it doesn't give bragging rights.
 
hornetstinger said:
Or you could have bought a artic 420 Pro for less money?

I've owned Asus before it doesn't give bragging rights.
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I'm not bragging I'm defending my self from haters. And what I spend my money on is my business, I bought ASUS based on reputation, aesthetics, performance, and past experience which ticks all the boxes. Also if you want premium you've got to pay more.
 
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evo4ever86 said:
From those mostly negative and hostile comments your sounding it out to be a sh** PC when it DEFINITELY isn't. Your not jealous or something are you? Because from the lay-person it looks like you might be. What GPU am I meant to buy from using an iGPU for 6 years? iGPU->5080 is a pretty decent upgrade (and a logical one) and a 9900K->9800X3D is also a pretty decent upgrade (also a logical one). Why are you being so negative? Is it because I chose ASUS or something? Isn't it a bit obvious what I'll be using my PC for from the specs I've got? I asked about other tasks casually. Get a grip pal.
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You asked for advice and then ignored it due to being an Asus fanboy, then asked after the fact what people's opinions were on your use case. @Mcnumpty2323 was absolutely spot on and far from hostile in his assessment, the hostility I'm seeing is solely from you.

I'm going to be less kind than he was, you spent your money poorly for the sake of aesthetics. That said, it's your money and ultimately it's a good gaming rig that will offer decent albeit not the best productivity depending on software usage.

I could build a rig that performs almost identically to what you've put together for less than £2000, I could build one with a 9950X3D and 64gb of RAM for around £2100-2200 which would be better for productivity. I could build a gaming specific PC with a 5090 for not much more than what you've spent in fact and it'd be a big leap in performance.

Enjoy your rig, but don't expect people to celebrate your brand bias and expenditure, nobody is jealous of you.
 
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hornetstinger said:
or cancel that motherboard and get another model without that stupid feature which damages £2500 GPU's?

I've owned Supermicro, Gigabyte, Asus, Asrock.
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I'm already using it and so far so good. I'd never get an RMA based on the potential Q-latch issue. And I'm using the word potential because theres been no evidence of killed MBs/GPUs because of it. So yeah I'll keep on eye on it.
 
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hornetstinger said:
Yes Asus will blame the user for the damage. :cry: Simply buy a new Asus Astral OC 5090 if/when it gets damaged
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It says after 60 pulls theres potential for damage. I mean come on.. who on earth pulls their GPU 60 times over it's lifespan? Whos to say 60 pulls wouldn't potentially damage a normal pcie socket? 60 pulls is pretty extreme for the average user.
 
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Or it could be done once by someone who hasn't used a board whereby pulling straight up damages it?

ie a shop ...why should the PC repair person know which boards have a self breaking design?
 
hornetstinger said:
Or it could be done once by someone who hasn't used a board whereby pulling straight up damages it?

ie a shop ...why should the PC repair person know which boards have a self breaking design?
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Well we'll just have to wait and see if theres any damage reports so we know for certain if its a real problem. I must admit I am slightly concerned but not overly so and if I do get any damage after 60+ pulls (which the average person wont do) then it will be the first problem ive had with ASUS in over 20 years.
 
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Gray2233 said:
You asked for advice and then ignored it due to being an Asus fanboy, then asked after the fact what people's opinions were on your use case. @Mcnumpty2323 was absolutely spot on and far from hostile in his assessment, the hostility I'm seeing is solely from you.

I'm going to be less kind than he was, you spent your money poorly for the sake of aesthetics. That said, it's your money and ultimately it's a good gaming rig that will offer decent albeit not the best productivity depending on software usage.

I could build a rig that performs almost identically to what you've put together for less than £2000, I could build one with a 9950X3D and 64gb of RAM for around £2100-2200 which would be better for productivity. I could build a gaming specific PC with a 5090 for not much more than what you've spent in fact and it'd be a big leap in performance.

Enjoy your rig, but don't expect people to celebrate your brand bias and expenditure, nobody is jealous of you.
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Thanks mate
Wrote that this morning before nighttime medications
Wore off
And before daytime painkillers had kicked in
Was a bit surprised by their reaction
Thought I had said something I shouldn't have while
Under the influence of meds :cry:
But rereading what i said now
I can't see i was hostile about anything
I know i have a weird way of typing
And how i phrase stuff sometimes fair enough
But that certainly wasn't me being hostile
If i had been hostile they would really have known about it :cry:

Already said it
But just to reiterate for them (not you)
I said its your money to spend as you like
So enjoy your new pc mate
That's hardly being hostile

think I gave honest opinion about the hardware capabilities
For the tasks they asked about too
 
Mcnumpty2323 said:
Thanks mate
Wrote that this morning before nighttime medications
Wore off
And before daytime painkillers had kicked in
Was a bit surprised by their reaction
Thought I had said something I shouldn't have while
Under the influence of meds :cry:
But rereading what i said now
I can't see i was hostile about anything
I know i have a weird way of typing
And how i phrase stuff sometimes fair enough
But that certainly wasn't me being hostile
If i had been hostile they would really have known about it :cry:

Already said it
But just to reiterate for them (not you)
I said its your money to spend as you like
So enjoy your new pc mate
That's hardly being hostile

think I gave honest opinion about the hardware capabilities
For the tasks they asked about too
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I'm sorry if I came across as boasting I was just excited about my new setup because I haven't upgraded in 6 years and I'm sorry for calling you hostile, I hope your doing okay mate.
 
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evo4ever86 said:
I'm sorry if I came across as boasting I was just excited about my new setup because I haven't upgraded in 6 years and I'm sorry for calling you hostile, I hope your doing okay mate.
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No worries
I might say something is bad value
Or even terrible value for the money
And suggest an alternative option
But I always follow it up
With its that person's money to spend
As they choose
And they should enjoy what they bought
I would never say something like if you buy that
Youre stupid etc

The fact you went 6 years before upgrading
Just happened to coincidence with
Nvidias 5xxx series cards being in severe short supply
And vastly inflated in cost because of that
And because amd didn't launch top end cards this time
As competition to 5080 and 5090
Basically a paper launch from nvidia
And some aren't a big generational uplift
Over previous series
A 4090 for example beats a 5080 (not counting multi frame generation here)
A 5080 isn't a huge upgrade over a 4080 super
And for me at the price of it 5080 with only 16gb vram
Is lower vram than should be
Then theres the ongoing power connection thing and nvidia
Not putting in simple things like shunt resistors
To make sure each wire isn't carrying too many amps
Plus very high hotspots on the pcb
Measured by some people using infrared guns
Since nvidia decided to remove users ability to see
Hot-spot temperature
And now some Especially vertically mounted
Are showing signs of thermal putty/thermal gel
Getting hot enough where it's becoming in a state to
Leak/run out of where it's positioned
So far only seen that on gigabyte cards

All of that is why it's tough
To recommend any rtx5080 to someone
Hopefully you will never have any issues with yours
And i believe asus at least added something to monitor amps
And the ability to at least see the amps on each wire
In their software
Though don't remember if all it can do is show you
Or if it will shutdown if too many amps go through one wire

Sorry if all that sounds like being negative
It's aimed at nvidia not you
But its just things to be aware of
Especially when spending so much on a gpu
These issues really shouldn't exist on a premium product
 
Mcnumpty2323 said:
No worries
I might say something is bad value
Or even terrible value for the money
And suggest an alternative option
But I always follow it up
With its that person's money to spend
As they choose
And they should enjoy what they bought
I would never say something like if you buy that
Youre stupid etc

The fact you went 6 years before upgrading
Just happened to coincidence with
Nvidias 5xxx series cards being in severe short supply
And vastly inflated in cost because of that
And because amd didn't launch top end cards this time
As competition to 5080 and 5090
Basically a paper launch from nvidia
And some aren't a big generational uplift
Over previous series
A 4090 for example beats a 5080 (not counting multi frame generation here)
A 5080 isn't a huge upgrade over a 4080 super
And for me at the price of it 5080 with only 16gb vram
Is lower vram than should be
Then theres the ongoing power connection thing and nvidia
Not putting in simple things like shunt resistors
To make sure each wire isn't carrying too many amps
Plus very high hotspots on the pcb
Measured by some people using infrared guns
Since nvidia decided to remove users ability to see
Hot-spot temperature
And now some Especially vertically mounted
Are showing signs of thermal putty/thermal gel
Getting hot enough where it's becoming in a state to
Leak/run out of where it's positioned
So far only seen that on gigabyte cards

All of that is why it's tough
To recommend any rtx5080 to someone
Hopefully you will never have any issues with yours
And i believe asus at least added something to monitor amps
And the ability to at least see the amps on each wire
In their software
Though don't remember if all it can do is show you
Or if it will shutdown if too many amps go through one wire

Sorry if all that sounds like being negative
It's aimed at nvidia not you
But its just things to be aware of
Especially when spending so much on a gpu
These issues really shouldn't exist on a premium product
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Thanks for the heads up and it's quite shocking to know what you've just told me and TBH mate I've kinda got buyers remorse now, I should have put in more research before I spent big and I should know better after building PCs for nearly 30 years. If I do get any problems I'll be very quick to request an RMA, and multiple RMAs if necessary!
 
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evo4ever86 said:
From those mostly negative and hostile comments your sounding it out to be a sh** PC when it DEFINITELY isn't. Your not jealous or something are you? Because from the lay-person it looks like you might be. What GPU am I meant to buy from using an iGPU for 6 years? iGPU->5080 is a pretty decent upgrade (and a logical one) and a 9900K->9800X3D is also a pretty decent upgrade (also a logical one). Why are you being so negative? Is it because I chose ASUS or something? Isn't it a bit obvious what I'll be using my PC for from the specs I've got? I asked about other tasks casually. Get a grip pal.
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Asks for opinions, gets opinions. Doesn't like opinions, gets upset.

Maybe next time don't ask for opinions and just ask people if they can say nice things about your components to make you feel good.

I tend to buy Asus motherboards because while there is an Asus tax, there also appears to be an MSI tax, a Gigabyte tax and perhaps slightly lower ASRock tax. Plus I'm used to Asus BIOS layouts.

So I'm not anti-Asus, but in a lot of aspects they're not good value for money. I don't think I'd go near their AIOs for example.

I believe I've heard that on the 5090 the Astral has possibly one of the better implementations of the problematic power connector, whether that helps much or is even true I'm not sure. If it is true then maybe it justifies a slightly higher price.
Hopefully the 5080 has the improved power connector implementation too.

The 5080 is probably the 3rd best GPU for gaming and the 9800X3D is at least in the top 2 most of the time I think.
Of course it you're building it for gaming and don't care about money then I'm not sure why you wouldn't go for a 5090. Would also give you more than 16GB VRAM, which may or may not be an issue in the future

32GB RAM is probably fine for now, how long that will be the case nobody really knows.

So it's probably going to be a very nice gaming PC, not the best but should be very good for the immediate future at least.
 
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