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humbug said:
If AMD advertised starting at $600 then $600 GPU's should be available, we agree on that, i don't see a disagreement here. None are available now and for some time at that price, but they have done it, what method they did it by is not relevant to me i just want them to make cards available at that price.

The 5070 Ti was advertised at starting at $750 and it seems some are available at or close enough to that price, call it MSRP, Fake MSRP, Rebates or whatever you like it and i'll use that word instead to say the same thing you are.
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You specifically said about new stock being able to be bought by the likes of OCUK to be sold at MSRP, because you believed your interpretation of events was different to that of others.

That situation hasn't happened, because it can't be done without additional support by AMD, which would make your interpretation of events incorrect

Now there's a debate about what is an MSRP model, but we at least know that Sapphire was one of them (Albeit even at launch more were sold above MSRP, because of said method of reaching that MSRP)
 
Why is it not attainable though? why is a rebate from AMD even needed? we need a decent journalist to look into what is happening at these launches.

If Sapphire/Powercolor etc can make a profit selling a £450-500 7800XT then there is no reason why they can't with a 9070XT. It's 99.9% the same card the only siginificant difference is the chip.

Someone is laughing all the way to the bank with the way these launches happen and it's not just the scalpers.
 
mmj_uk said:
Why is it not attainable though? why is a rebate from AMD even needed? we need a decent journalist to look into what is happening at these launches.

If Sapphire/Powercolor etc can make a profit selling a £450-500 7800XT then there is no reason why they can't with a 9070XT. It's 99.9% the same card the only siginificant difference is the chip.

Someone is laughing all the way to the bank with the way these launches happen and it's not just the scalpers.
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Whilst you can probably make a fair case on their ******** markups for the extra-special-fancy-doodah models, to be fair to the AIBs, I don't think they make a large profit on the base models, and I think you can probably say the profit made by most retailers isn't particularly significant either. I don't know what markup AMD makes on the chips, though I'm pretty sure TMSC take a hefty share, though you could argue it is justified for their investment and growth of the technology. It's not really even the cost that irritates me, it's the deception they use. Just be honest about it - if you can't produce a card for a given price then don't pretend you can. Though obviously they feel they have to in order to not get slammed by the reviewers. Inevitably though, all this rubbish comes back to bite you as nobody trusts a word you say.
 
Martini1991 said:
You specifically said about new stock being able to be bought by the likes of OCUK to be sold at MSRP, because you believed your interpretation of events was different to that of others.

That situation hasn't happened, because it can't be done without additional support by AMD, which would make your interpretation of events incorrect

Now there's a debate about what is an MSRP model, but we at least know that Sapphire was one of them (Albeit even at launch more were sold above MSRP, because of said method of reaching that MSRP)
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because you believed your interpretation of events was different to that of others.
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That situation hasn't happened, because it can't be done without additional support by AMD, which would make your interpretation of events incorrect
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This is a contradiction in terms, it did happen because it was done with support by AMD, and that is my interpretation of it, again, WFT are you arguing about?
 
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Firegod said:
Interesting, sorry if already posted. :)

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Interesting, this explains why my memory temps are much better than some others, its not just down to cooling.

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Martini1991 said:
This will be an interesting product, because realistically how good can it be?

7800XT has basically disappeared but the 5060ti 16GB is readily available at basically that performance point.
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And probably 8GB and 16GB versions plus 128bit bus width, AMD copying Nvidia.. why bother?

For the 60Ti and the 60XT just make them 12GB and sell them at the price between what the 8 and 16 were gona sell for. Only uniformed customers are going to buy the 8GB versions of these cards..

5060Ti - $400 (12GB)
9060XT - $380 (12GB)

xx50 cards should do the 8GB.

All 70 tiers should be 16GB.

All 5080's should be 24GB with 5090's having the 32GB.

AMD need to do this on UDNA.

I was kinda surprised at HuB's testing of the 16GB 60Ti in his latest 8GB v 16GB comparison video but I think if it only had 12GB, the results would have been the same.

With me still at 1080p it does actually seem an 'OK' option but I'll wait and see how the 9060XT looks now.
 
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humbug said:
Yeah.....
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And you argued at the time that was only applicable to the original stock (Because original stock was bought months in advance and sat there and AMD changed the price) and new stock would be able to be bought by OCUK be sold at MSRP

That was your interpretation of the events

That clearly isn't the case though because it hasn't happened since.
 
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Martini1991 said:
And you argued at the time that was only applicable to the original stock (Because original stock was bought months in advance and sat there and AMD changed the price) and new stock would be able to be bought by OCUK be sold at MSRP

That was your interpretation of the events

That clearly isn't the case though because it hasn't happened since.
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No, that's wrong, what i did was quote Frank Azor on X saying more GPU's would be coming at the same MSRP as those initial batches, it was not me saying this, it was AMD.
 
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humbug said:
No, that's wrong, what i did was quote Frank Azor on X saying more GPU's would be coming at the same MSRP as those initial batches, it was not me saying this, it was AMD.
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Which has been our point. It’s about you, but about AMD blatantly lying that the MSRP wasn’t fake. The hard work gaining mindshare will evaporate at this rate.
 
ICDP said:
Which has been our point. It’s about you, but about AMD blatantly lying that the MSRP wasn’t fake. The hard work gaining mindshare will evaporate at this rate.
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You say that but... People are still buying them. That's what matters, and that's why they're not dropping in price.. In fact they've done what everyone wanted and made the Nvidia equivalent cheaper :)
 
Bidley said:
You say that but... People are still buying them. That's what matters, and that's why they're not dropping in price.. In fact they've done what everyone wanted and made the Nvidia equivalent cheaper :)
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This is not the point. AMD said MSRP wasn’t fake, it clearly was. This is not all on the retailers.
 
humbug said:
Interesting, this explains why my memory temps are much better than some others, its not just down to cooling.

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I have SK Hynix vram in my pulse and temps never go above 80C but the pulse has an overbuilt heat sink though….

EDIT: Oops just checked GPUZ- it says I have Samsung memory! On my Pulse 9070XT. For some reason thought I had Hynix but was getting confused with my old 7800xt.

My bad!
 
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