Why aren't vegans eating the food they ask for?

[tonys]

Veganism is the rejecting the notion that animals are here to use commodities, resources and entertainment.

I care about the fact that non human animals dont have rights, and thats it, It has nothing to do with the climate or other so called justice issues,.... just so you know.

Sorry but as far as I'm aware, non human animals don't use commodities, resources or entertainment. Before commenting try going back to school and learn how to write, use grammer and then maybe we might get an intelligent response from you.
Nothing on this planet is born with any rights, they are given by society.

 

[tonys]

Animal welfare

Advice and guidance on protecting animal welfare.

www.gov.uk

Animal Welfare Act | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

The 2006 Act has introduced an important and new concept for pet owners and those responsible for domestic animals in England and Wales.

www.rspca.org.uk

Perhaps your issues are directed toward certain practises? You've linked a bunch of halal abattoir information in the past, while ignoring anything anyone said about ethical farming.

-- I swear I'm just here waiting for Mags to discuss his bean intake.

We all are

 

[MatsyLR]

I sliced up a defenseless carrot today, im sorry.

 

[Johno please?]

You should take a step back and just look at yourself. How do you know for absolute certainty what my views are ? Please grow up and get over puberty.

I don't know your view, thats why I asked the question.....

Like I said, feel free not to respond..... notice how I ignore every single one of diddums posts? Its very easy, oh and do remember who started this thread calling vegans "cretins" xD

Have I called anyone here a cretin?

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Animal welfare

Advice and guidance on protecting animal welfare.

www.gov.uk

Animal Welfare Act | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

The 2006 Act has introduced an important and new concept for pet owners and those responsible for domestic animals in England and Wales.

www.rspca.org.uk

Perhaps your issues are directed toward certain practises? You've linked a bunch of halal abattoir information in the past, while ignoring anything anyone said about ethical farming.

-- I swear I'm just here waiting for Mags to discuss his bean intake.

I had kidney beans in a pretty spesh chilli I made at the weekend. I also added sweetcorn which I think is okay with the veg squad but it's so hard to keep track of these days.

I'll often put a tin of 4 Beans (country variations may, uh, vary) in a salad probably 3 times a week for lunch, spice it up with some tuna or some left overs. Banger.

Were there any further bean updates you needed?

x

e: how did I only find out today that kidney beans are called so because of their distinctive shape? Every day is a school day.

 

[Johno please?]

Animal welfare

Advice and guidance on protecting animal welfare.

www.gov.uk

Animal Welfare Act | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

The 2006 Act has introduced an important and new concept for pet owners and those responsible for domestic animals in England and Wales.

www.rspca.org.uk

Perhaps your issues are directed toward certain practises? You've linked a bunch of halal abattoir information in the past, while ignoring anything anyone said about ethical farming.

-- I swear I'm just here waiting for Mags to discuss his bean intake.

No I didnt, re read my post, the 3 links I provided have nothing to do with halal.

The video I linked to was a halal slaughterhouse investigation.

haha....

 

[tonys]

I sliced up a defenseless carrot today, im sorry.

Shame on you

 

[Gray2233]

I had kidney beans in a pretty spesh chilli I made at the weekend. I also added sweetcorn which I think is okay with the veg squad but it's so hard to keep track of these days.

I'll often put a tin of 4 Beans (country variations may, uh, vary) in a salad probably 3 times a week for lunch, spice it up with some tuna or some left overs. Banger.

Were there any further bean updates you needed?

x

e: how did I only find out today that kidney beans are called so because of their distinctive shape? Every day is a school day.

But did you read the tin to be entirely sure?!

In fact, should you not contact the company to make sure the tin itself didn't result in animal death?

Otherwise, absolutely spectacular and similar to my own tastes.

No I didnt, re read my post, the 3 links I provided have nothing to do with halal.

The video I linked to was a halal slaughterhouse invesitgation.

Spoiler

Ita actually an understatement if anything, and il explain why with the life of a pig in the UK.

So the mothers (and fathers) are literally nonced around with by humans, she will give birth to maybe 8-10 babies, the runts or sick/dying ones will be smashed into the floor or hit with a blunt instrument (shot if theyre "lucky")

The ones that survive the hell holes theyre raised in, will have their tails chopped off, (and sometimes castrated, depends on the "farm") and teeth clipped. They will then spend the next 6 months inside only seeing daylight before theyre forced into a carbon dioxide gas chamber where they scream and smashed against the cages.... then theyre stabbed in the neck.

"Oh ok john, but what about free range" They share a similar fate, they can be blungeoned to death up to a certain size, and where do they up? Gas chambers yet again.

"There are many regulations...." it shows a massive lack of knowledge on your part, I actually don't blame you because you've been fed propaganda from the meat industries and the welfare organisations like the RSPCA/Red tractor for decades.

There was an FSA inspector watching these individuals be non stun slaughtered, with her clip board, ticking boxes, these regulations mean NOTHING to the victims.

(this place is still open despite obvious "welfare" laws being broken)

Go and inform yourself from these sources or find your own if you don't believe me.

The Mutilations (Permitted Procedures) (England) Regulations 2007

Section 5 (1) and (2) of the Animal Welfare Act 2006 (c.45) makes it an offence to carry out, or to cause or, in specified circumstances, permit another person to carry out, a prohibited procedure on a protected animal. A prohibited procedure is one which involves interference with the sensitive...

www.legislation.gov.uk

Animals in British Farming » Pigs - Eat Fair

An introduction into how animals are treated within the British Pork industry.

www.eatfair.org

The Dark World of Pig Genetics

Boars at Innovis suffer for years.

www.animaljusticeproject.com

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...Then theres the short hellish life of broiler chickens and egg laying birds, thats a whole other thread worth really.

And just to clarify, I dont think youre an "unethical" person, I dont believe I was before going vegan but now I know better, I reject the idea of all animal exploitation, its not a diet or a lifestlye its literally just a mindset/principle and certain actions follow from that.

You see, the problem with taking an extreme stance is that you only need to be proven wrong once. I don't need to go out of my way to show your entire past, which is utterly full of the same sort of thing. You've done this many, many times -- but in this glorious response of yours you claimed to have only linked a "slaughterhouse" video that you admitted to linking yourself.

Your greatest issues across the board, and the worst offenders you have, are halal slaughterhouses.

You intentionally go to extremes and then semi-deny them when called out, it's poor rhetoric at best and that's my being polite. I really did not intend to engage in this as others have already dealt with you, but by some mercy of whatever deity you might worship I suggest some introspection.

I'm going to be frank here: I think you're an extreme "vegan" online that's still too much of a coward to call out the way meat is prepared by certain religious groups. (For the record, I'm not fussed either way about halal)

 

[Malevolence]

I sliced up a defenseless carrot today, im sorry.

You think that's bad? I skinned a family of potatoes, boiled their flayed bodies and then forced them through the ricer - using the insert with the smallest holes. It was absolute carnage.

 

[tonys]

I had kidney beans in a pretty spesh chilli I made at the weekend. I also added sweetcorn which I think is okay with the veg squad but it's so hard to keep track of these days.

I'll often put a tin of 4 Beans (country variations may, uh, vary) in a salad probably 3 times a week for lunch, spice it up with some tuna or some left overs. Banger.

Were there any further bean updates you needed?

x

e: how did I only find out today that kidney beans are called so because of their distinctive shape? Every day is a school day.

Great, now we know where you maybe on jonos moral compass.

 

[tonys]

I don't know your view, thats why I asked the question.....

Like I said, feel free not to respond..... notice how I ignore every single one of diddums posts? Its very easy, oh and do remember who started this thread calling vegans "cretins" xD

Have I called anyone here a cretin?

Probably murderers, not cretin that I can remember. Now remind me is cretin worse or better than murderers?

 

[MatsyLR]

You think that's bad? I skinned a family of potatoes, boiled their flayed bodies and then forced them through the ricer - using the insert with the smallest holes. It was absolute carnage.

FBI find this guy.

 

[moon man]

ah , i see all the corpse eaters feeling comforted now because other random corpse eaters on the internet say its ok so it is , thankfully there are still a few free thinking people out here and all throughout history or you would have a pair of shiny boots under the bed bet you still live near your mum too
last night , jacket spuds with chickpea curry ,very nice ,
sorry guys didn't abuse anything living , sure you will make up for me

 

[JonRGV250]

Vegans sure do wake up grumpy in the morning.
There’s probably a reason for that.
Bacon

 

[moon man]

Bacon is a carcinogenic, no thanks, you choose to abuse your bodies as well as animals

 

[Tram]

I heard vegans have less cognitive abilities and possibly smaller brains because they aren't eating the right diet.

How a vegan diet could affect your intelligence

The vegan diet is low in – or, in some cases, entirely devoid of – several important brain nutrients. Could these shortcomings be affecting vegans' abilities to think?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[moon man]

I heard vegans have less cognitive abilities and possibly smaller brains because they aren't eating the right diet.

How a vegan diet could affect your intelligence

The vegan diet is low in – or, in some cases, entirely devoid of – several important brain nutrients. Could these shortcomings be affecting vegans' abilities to think?

www.bbc.co.uk

Sorry noob but I have seen the drivel you post , your brilliantly detailed post in the trading thread , *Intel not good share" English is obviously not your first language

 

[moon man]

Vegans sure do wake up grumpy in the morning.
There’s probably a reason for that.
Bacon

Yep it's because I need tea break entertainment so I like to stir the pot a little before work and watch how you carnivores paint yourself into a corner mu .ha ha ha (evil laugh)
1st one is 11am btw , give me some entertaining material if you please

 

[montymint]

I've noticed this for ages in supermarkets. I love the yellow sticker sections and most of the time they're full of vegetarian / vegan stuff that's not sold. And it outranks the meaty stuff by a considerable margin. Yet if supermarkets were to stop selling this stuff, the screeches from the vegans would be so high that the country's dogs would go mental.

I see now that Lewis Hamilton's vegan burger restaurant is also shutting all of its locations:

Lewis Hamilton's company shuts down after recording millions in losses

The Ferrari star launched 'Neat Burgers' - who boast '100 per cent plant based meals' - alongside film star Leonardo DiCaprio back in 2019.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I mean, I get it, stuff shuts down and goes unsold all the time, but it seems that anything vegan is doomed to fail. Why? Are they all filthy unwashed poors who can't afford to eat Lewis Hamilton's fake meat, or are they simply a bunch of whining cretins who are holier-than-thou with their morals but when it comes to putting the cash down, they're nowhere to be seen?

Or is it everyone else's fault that they overestimate what vegans eat and don't know how to manage their stock orders?


Hmmmm.

Without continuing the tit-for-tat that's going on already.

My personal opinion is that these "vegan" products are made for the wrong people, which are in fact meat eaters. I find a lot of the "meat replacement" products made for the vegan market are horribly processed and chock full of garbage, whereas reasonably sourced meat is probably cleaner for you (in terms of dietary content as opposed to environmental impact).

So what you have is a product that cost more than what it is meant to replace and is arguably no better for you than said product at a similar price point.

The best benefit from eating a vegan diet is the replacement of that kind of crap an replacing it with whole food in the form of fruit, vegetables , grains and pulses - not sticking in fake burgers, bacon , cheese etc. I feel most vegans (and I know a few who are canny - one being a vegetarian on a bet and has been for over two decades now and vegan the past five years) would rather just go for the cheaper, whole food option.

I try to eat a vegetarian / vegan meal at least once a week, mostly if I want a stir fry or curry. I enjoy these meals with or without meat (home made curry is delicious made vegan). I like the colour on the plate and I've always enjoyed eating vegetables, plus the meal tends to be cheaper without the meat cost on top of the veggies. What I'd never do is buy a vegan meat / cheese replacement and eat that over their counterparts.

So yeah to circle back - I think most of these failing businesses are just people trying to maximise on an attempt to make meat replacements trendy, which IMO is mostly counterproductive when looking at the diet itself.

 

[tonys]

Without continuing the tit-for-tat that's going on already.

My personal opinion is that these "vegan" products are made for the wrong people, which are in fact meat eaters. I find a lot of the "meat replacement" products made for the vegan market are horribly processed and chock full of garbage, whereas reasonably sourced meat is probably cleaner for you (in terms of dietary content as opposed to environmental impact).

So what you have is a product that cost more than what it is meant to replace and is arguably no better for you than said product at a similar price point.

The best benefit from eating a vegan diet is the replacement of that kind of crap an replacing it with whole food in the form of fruit, vegetables , grains and pulses - not sticking in fake burgers, bacon , cheese etc. I feel most vegans (and I know a few who are canny - one being a vegetarian on a bet and has been for over two decades now and vegan the past five years) would rather just go for the cheaper, whole food option.

I try to eat a vegetarian / vegan meal at least once a week, mostly if I want a stir fry or curry. I enjoy these meals with or without meat (home made curry is delicious made vegan). I like the colour on the plate and I've always enjoyed eating vegetables, plus the meal tends to be cheaper without the meat cost on top of the veggies. What I'd never do is buy a vegan meat / cheese replacement and eat that over their counterparts.

So yeah to circle back - I think most of these failing businesses are just people trying to maximise on an attempt to make meat replacements trendy, which IMO is mostly counterproductive when looking at the diet itself.

Someone who has made a good post for the veggie side without resorting to shock tactics and accusations. Well done.