Do you not think supply and price has anything to do with it or will it be driven by this difference. Definitely agree, pre-built systems will have an impact.
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Do you not think supply and price has anything to do with it or will it be driven by this difference. Definitely agree, pre-built systems will have an impact.
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Nvidia makes more cards so sells more than AMD. So Nvidia has to sell more cards to break even.Intel makes more CPUs than AMD so still sell more than AMD. Yet AMD is ahead in general CPU technology.
AMD is capacity limited so needs to make CPUs and console chips too. They could beat Nvidia in all metrics and still sell less overall.
But in the end the RTX5070 is such a mediocre card it is falling below RRP which is unheard of so quickly for Nvidia. The moment the RX9000 series approaches RRP they sell out.
There is now talk of the RTX5070 Super being launched this year.
The fact Nvidia is now selling cards under RRP and bundling free games so quickly shows the Blackwell launch hasn't been good by their own expectations.
It's even worse when it comes to pre built systems.RTX5070 systems are now replacing the RTX4070 versions at the same price already. The RTX4070 was well under £500 last year. So system integrators must be being offered additional discounts IMHO.
Then you have to consider the RTX5060TI 16GB is being sold for almost the same amount as the RTX4060TI 8GB last year using more expensive GDDR7.
It's quite clear, Nvidia is now dropping margins to sell Blackwell. That is not indicative of a good launch.
They didn't expect RDNA4 to be as competitive as it is and neither does AMD who seems to have not kept up with demand.
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Blackwell I'm sure has not met Nvidia's expectations. The bundling of Doom makes that obvious.
What I am more concerned about and have been since RDNA launched, is what AMD's game plan here is. Are they happy with a 10/15% share with them selling cards a little below Nvidia? That's essentially what we've ended up at again.
This is anything but a success for AMD and worse still they did lie about the MSRP to get good reviews.
RDNA2 were fantastic cards, priced well, and that got them nowhere because they had very little supply. That is why after cryptomining stopped they still sat low on marketshare numbers. Like then, this is almost a free pass to Nvidia who will still sell cards in very large volumes because AMD can't provide enough supply or can't stop AIB partners prioritising chips to £700 versions of cards which then sit on shelves.
This needs to be called out, instead of apologising for AMD at every opportunity.
What I am more concerned about and have been since RDNA launched, is what AMD's game plan here is. Are they happy with a 10/15% share with them selling cards a little below Nvidia? That's essentially what we've ended up at again.
This is anything but a success for AMD and worse still they did lie about the MSRP to get good reviews.
RDNA2 were fantastic cards, priced well, and that got them nowhere because they had very little supply. That is why after cryptomining stopped they still sat low on marketshare numbers. Like then, this is almost a free pass to Nvidia who will still sell cards in very large volumes because AMD can't provide enough supply or can't stop AIB partners prioritising chips to £700 versions of cards which then sit on shelves.
This needs to be called out, instead of apologising for AMD at every opportunity.
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Nvidia stock is now abundant, of course prices will drop, where's " we are going after market share" AMD, have way overpriced cards and limited supply, AMD talk balls.
Nvidia knows the uplift in performance is crap so they priced accordingly, AMD wet their pants, faked an msrp for good reviews and then decided to not honour it and to not flood the market. They are a bad as Nvidia for neglecting the gaming market, worse because NVidia supply msrp card.
Nvidia knows the uplift in performance is crap so they priced accordingly, AMD wet their pants, faked an msrp for good reviews and then decided to not honour it and to not flood the market. They are a bad as Nvidia for neglecting the gaming market, worse because NVidia supply msrp card.
Thank you, brave knight, for saving the GPU market.
Nvidia, AMD and Intel have had their cards selling above their MSRP and have had poor supply since all their launches. The fact Nvidia are starting to build stock (and they should, as they have to service 90% of the market) and are bundling games speaks volumes.
I have to agree with the assessment that AMD have missed their opportunity to properly gain market share. Though I do expect RDNA4 to have noticeably moved the needle on that.
What I am seeing a significant shift in, is mindshare. The shockingly terrible Nvidia driver situation will not be forgotten and in fact AMD are seen as the more stable set of drivers now by a large margin.
People who bemoan lack of game launch day drivers genuinely haven’t a clue what is actually important with GPU drivers… stability.
In the time since RDNA 4 launched they have had 2x driver releases. But they have been incredibly stable for me.
Nvidia have had at least half a dozen (or more) and every one has been an unstable buggy mess for 5000 series users and a significant amount of 4000/3000 users. I have never had to rollback so many times for the sake of stability or bugs/performance. Even game developers were advising 3000/4000 owners to stick with drivers from before Christmas 2024.
What I am seeing a significant shift in, is mindshare. The shockingly terrible Nvidia driver situation will not be forgotten and in fact AMD are seen as the more stable set of drivers now by a large margin.
People who bemoan lack of game launch day drivers genuinely haven’t a clue what is actually important with GPU drivers… stability.
In the time since RDNA 4 launched they have had 2x driver releases. But they have been incredibly stable for me.
Nvidia have had at least half a dozen (or more) and every one has been an unstable buggy mess for 5000 series users and a significant amount of 4000/3000 users. I have never had to rollback so many times for the sake of stability or bugs/performance. Even game developers were advising 3000/4000 owners to stick with drivers from before Christmas 2024.
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Exactly this. Although if you have only ever owned an nvidia product it will likely get brushed under the carpet and forgot about. The radeon software app is way ahead due to nvidia dragging their feet - keeping the xp era control panel for way too long. The best part though is the size of the software teams between them is huge so its not like you can excuse this as an nothingburger.
Maybe "AI" will help them develop at a frightening pace and fix all these issues in a space of weeks...
Maybe "AI" will help them develop at a frightening pace and fix all these issues in a space of weeks...
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The most vocal “Nvidia just works” types openly admit they have not had an AMD product since they were called ATI.
As someone who has operated both Nvidia and AMD for the past ~6 years I can absolutely assert that by and large AMD have had a superior driver and software stack for a long time.
So when Nvidia release a new “game launch day drivers” for some new Nvidia title, but all it actually gives is a tweaked profile… I roll my eyes out loud at the absolute idiocy on display when people proclaim “Nvidia cares about gamers”.
As someone who has operated both Nvidia and AMD for the past ~6 years I can absolutely assert that by and large AMD have had a superior driver and software stack for a long time.
So when Nvidia release a new “game launch day drivers” for some new Nvidia title, but all it actually gives is a tweaked profile… I roll my eyes out loud at the absolute idiocy on display when people proclaim “Nvidia cares about gamers”.
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You just have to see the amount of "hot fix" iterations to their drivers in recent past to see that. The long standing issues listed in older driver open issues also demonstrates they too take ages to jump on and resolve. It was one of the KSP since forever, until the crown has shifted of "buggy drivers" to change brands.
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Who is apologising for amd at every opportunity and why does this need called out, whatever ‘this’ is.
Are you in the market for a 9070 and they’re overpriced - is that your issue?
Well said.
Ouch! AMD's are about 770MB download if I remember rightly but when installed Control Panel reports just 345MB (on my PC).
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Another attempt at trying to make this personal. Objectivity is really lacking and no attempt at dealing with the reality of what is happening. There are multiple posts in this thread excusing the high prices for AMD cards and the lack of stock. I'm not going to collate them for you.
Multiple attempts also at claiming AMD cards are outselling Nvidia cards which are "sitting on shelves". Again if you read the last few weeks of posts in this thread you will see that.
An alternate reality that is slowly unravelling.
So many attempts also to deflect and point out nvidia's flaws, who it seems after fumbling the launch are selling a truckload of cards because they actually have so many SKUs with stock at or close to MSRP.
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By the sounds of this thread I must be in the minority but I genuinely feel the rdna cards are priced quite well. I paid 690 for my nitro and really didn't feel short changed at all. Cards are available close to 600.
Times have changed since COVID with all the quantitive easing. Money is now worth less. Sure I would like cheaper things but I am not that upset by the price of these gpus. I would however be pretty ****** paying 900 for a 5070ti, which is what I would have had to do for a similar quality aib
Times have changed since COVID with all the quantitive easing. Money is now worth less. Sure I would like cheaper things but I am not that upset by the price of these gpus. I would however be pretty ****** paying 900 for a 5070ti, which is what I would have had to do for a similar quality aib
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I’m genuinely not trying to make anything personal dude. Fwiw I myself am properly miffed at amds current pricing and strategy as it’s keeping my stuck on a years old card.
I am dealing with it. I’m refusing to over spend on a 9070.
Pretty much my situation as well. I think it'll be UDNA for me at this rate. I might be able to get some actual money put aside by 2026.
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The reality is you can get a shockingly bad specced 5070 for £500 upward. To pretend the Ti and upward (nvidia) were both available and reasonably priced has taken them over ten weeks since the launches with pre-orders needed to service the higher end. Its ok pretending this availability and price have been around if you live in a bubble, AMD have had equal scorn for that. The prices will only creep down now due to the fomo, scalper and die-hards pretty much out of the loop having already got what they wanted. Its not like people on 40 series or 7000 cards are desperate for a marginal improvement...