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I've always been tempted, but its another thing to wear, and another load of metrics/data to go though too.

The main thing I would hope it helps with is recovery, as I am absolutely crap at it. Even my Garmin now says I still need 70 hours of it lol

Plus I'd always be hesitant of the optical HR sensor compared to a 'proper' one. I still don't trust my Fenix 7 for that as it is, I always wear a chest strap for any exercise.
 
I've always been tempted, but its another thing to wear, and another load of metrics/data to go though too.

The main thing I would hope it helps with is recovery, as I am absolutely crap at it. Even my Garmin now says I still need 70 hours of it lol

Plus I'd always be hesitant of the optical HR sensor compared to a 'proper' one. I still don't trust my Fenix 7 for that as it is, I always wear a chest strap for any exercise.
my recovery times have dropped with garmin over time.

when I got back into cycling back in october, a 20k ride would give me 50 hours to recover. Get 20ish now, depending on how hard I pushed.

so over time, with more data and the watch learning about "you" those metrics do drop..
 
Yeah what I liked about whoop is you really don’t think about having it on.

I think it’s a brilliant product but for me right now I’m trying to limit what I spend (ok maybe I wanted to upgrade my S7 as well) If I had the spare cash for Whoop, I’d get it again for sure.
 
I don't bother wearing anything else, (although I do wear a garmin watch during CX races) I had a garmin forerunner before and didn't wear it at night and disabled most of the smart features, so now just wear the whoop and don't even bother with a watch. Like I say i got mine knowing my sleep sucked and the last 6 months I feel so much fresher every single day. Yes I could have achieved this without whoop but it gave me some good metrics and I put accountability on improving these. Will upgrade to the 5.0 in the next couple of months. Only thing I'm disappointed it's missing is core temperature which I was hoping it'd have.
 
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I don't bother wearing anything else, (although I do wear a garmin watch during CX races) I had a garmin forerunner before and didn't wear it at night and disabled most of the smart features, so now just wear the whoop and don't even bother with a watch. Like I say i got mine knowing my sleep sucked and the last 6 months I feel so much fresher every single day. Yes I could have achieved this without whoop but it gave me some good metrics and I put accountability on improving these. Will upgrade to the 5.0 in the next couple of months. Only thing I'm disappointed it's missing is core temperature which I was hoping it'd have.
out of interest, what metrics did you get out whoop that helped you improve your sleep? I sleep quite well so it’s not a problem for me but with Garmin I’ve noticed that alcohol hits me hard when it comes to my sleep quality, even amounts that I can’t personally feel. Recently had two ciders, my sleep and body stress bad throughout the night. Next day, absolutely back to normal. And I’ve noticed this a few times, always after a drink.
 
Well all of the sleep metrics, I struggled to sleep with my garmin on so never really recorded anything overnight. The general tips as its got an ai tool built in so you can ask it various questions on what to do around bedtimes, consistency, eating, caffeine, alcohol etc. And how these affect everything. Hrv is up, sleep time up by about an hour each night and deep sleep is up by 10%, number of times awake has reduced etc.
 
Had a whoop for the free month trial and found the HR inaccurate and the sleep tracking rubbish.
 
I had a few years with a Whoop. Tried the rings, both the cheap Temu ones and an expensive branded one - both crap. Currently using a Garmin Vivo 5. Whoop is clearly the best in terms of accuracy of HR, sleep tracking and the app is streets ahead of the rest of them. Steps absolutely miles out though. Think I'll go back to one, especially as they now have those hybrid quick drying straps as they get a bit grim when they are wet. Have started wearing the Garmin Vivo in the sauna as that’s what killed my last one, refund will almost cover a year of whoop.
 
Bit late on this, but https://crickles.casa/ is back up and running after the Strava fun and games towards the end of last year.

Follow instructions to make a new account, verify your email and authorise access to your data from https://intervals.icu/

I've only just sorted this out, but because I'm using a Lezyne GPS computer, I can't see a way to get Lezyne to upload directly to Intervals so my outdoor rides aren't showing (because they are still coming via Strava, which isn't allowed).

Those of you will Garmin, Wahoo, Karoo GPS computers will be fine, Intervals has links for direct upload.
 
That’s the ones @Roady

They smell like a scentless candle at first but as soon as you bite into them they’re actually delicious
Yeah couldn't figure out a decent price for them... Ok so intro is £9.99 for 12, seems ok, but that's signing up for their subscription furthest you can push it back is every 45 days, next pack is £26 for the same 12? Then goes up to full price £34 or 36 for 12 bars. Seems ridiculously expensive!?

Found Cliff bars on a deal in my local FarmFoods... Other half rings me "how much are Cliff bars and do you want more, they're 3 for £1 so I've bought 15" (She's a good girl isn't she!). Checking they're the full size 68g bars, sent her back in for another 30 of them... They've got August best before on them and only 1 flavour, but at that price they're better than the NAKD I've been getting in other supermarket/amazon deals. So that's most of my summer riding nutrition sorted!

I'll always have two 750ml bottles with 90g of mix in (for longer rides)
Is that your own mix, or something off the shelf?

Before I got some vague handle on it I could easily be hungry for 2-3 days after a long hard ride. I would be tired and probably ate 2x the calories I spent on the ride over my normal daily requirements.
This. Even if you're underfuelling on the bike, eating little amounts and regularly will stop you being so ravenous after you get back. Plan your 'afters' and know what time a meal is coming can also really help.

I'm sure I've quoted him on here before, but James Hayden who has won the Trans-continental race twice said something like "long distance bike riding (racing) is an eating content".

I reckon I'm better at eating than anything else :D I'm a fan of a post ride milkshake for hard rides, though the most recent tub of High5 Recovery I got isn't as nice as the old formula. If there's a post-ride car journey, I'd get home and eat everything I could find, so a milk shake in the car helped me with the post-ride munchies that @fez mentions.
I've heard that before from many places - bit of an audax mentality or those doing Ultra rides like PBP/LEL etc. Even GT riders - those able to bosh the most carbs the easiest when riding, consistently & over many weeks of racing have a big edge.

I'm good at eating too... But to be fair on the bike I don't eat because I feel I have to, it's more nibbling because I know it helps. I'm hardly ever ravenously hungry after a ride... Eating cleaner meals then just increasing a portion size on a ride day helps (maybe more of a mental thing?!).

I finished my last tub of High5 and went with Powerbar, it's nicer but needs less water and is still more like a milk drink than a smoothie/shake. Does seem to last longer per tub. Just can't get it thick like others. Will probably just get whichever is cheapest next - really stepped away from the ProteinWorks 90 & 360 I was using before - amazing stuff but the costs kept going up and the flavours very hit&miss. My requirements are probably pretty low the sorts of riding I'm doing (short Zwift races/longer outside socials) anyway. Then maybe get a recovery bar or two for after the handful of bigger all day things when they crop up.

I know a few of you use Whoop. Seems the 5.0 has just released.
I posted on the Whoop thread - with my renewal due in July probably in a position to take advantage of it... Ideally find some kinda discount code and I'll do it. Not that fussed with the 5.0 as happy with my 4.0 but knowing it's 2.5 years old just how long is the hardware/battery going to last with it. Took them From October '22 until Jan '23 to get the 4.0 to me (had just been released) as a new customer with their '8-10 week' delivery slot totally missed (they gave me a free month as compensation). So even now getting a 5.0 not expecting it until my 4.0 is probably 3 years old.

£230 or less for the middle tier, but you can usually get it for £180 per year. I've had mine and it has markedly helped me improve my sleep and overall fitness over the last 6 months, going from waking 4-5 times properly per night and struggling to get to sleep to having a proper night sleep every night, waking once. Noticing this is really helping my training having fresher legs, more impetus and more power across the board.

Used to have a Garmin that done a number of bits but it was all so fractured, the whoops interface is what makes it worthwhile imo. Plus it's nice having the small form factor as you don't notice it's there.
Pretty much same as me - I have no other need for a wearable/watch. I use another HRM for the intense stuff, have a clock on my mobile in my pocket and use a head unit cycling.

The Whoop is so light and unobtrusive it just sits there. Will admit middle of last year had developed an 'ache' on my left wrist. Moved the strap to my right wrist. Ache continued and figured I'd maybe 'caused' arthritis wearing it too tight/loose (however implausible?!). This spring hurt my right wrist, then picked up a strain/RSI or something similar, moved Whoop back to left wrist with no ill effects. I take it off probably 3-4 nights a week when showering to avoid a damp strap at night time. Tend to shower with it after Zwifting in the evening thinking it's a bit damp then anyway so gets a wash. Maybe a bit less in the winter when it's colder and a few more times in the summer when I've had suncream on (got a beauty of a tanline from it at the weekend)!

The 'it just works' / 'fit and forget' side of things with Whoop is good. Just don't have to consider it. The app seems intuitive & always developing. Happy with it to continue - knowing it does far more than I use and will continue to improve. Figure I'm paying 95% for their app/account/processing than the hardware anyway.
 
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Yeah, I signed up for a trial using a virtual card then cancelled. Will probably do another ‘trial’ box though. I think if they sold them for £15-£20 they’d be very popular.

I’m not missing Whoop as much as I thought. Sleeping in the Apple Watch isn’t as uncomfortable as I thought it would be and Bevel is close enough to whoop I don’t feel like I’m missing out. May try Athletic, or however it’s spelt in this new age, as that’s cheaper again and reviewed well.

edit: I will say though. It was really nice going out for a ride with just my headphones and watch. Just had music streaming from my watch. Quite liked that as I was tracking the ride (have to track rides using Apple workouts for my health insurance) it was quite nice getting a split breakdown every 5km.

Drawback was the Wahoo live tracking feature doesn't work without a phone which my partner uses to see where I am on a ride.
 
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The Whoop is so light and unobtrusive it just sits there. Will admit middle of last year had developed an 'ache' on my left wrist. Moved the strap to my right wrist. Ache continued and figured I'd maybe 'caused' arthritis wearing it too tight/loose (however implausible?!). This spring hurt my right wrist, then picked up a strain/RSI or something similar, moved Whoop back to left wrist with no ill effects. I take it off probably 3-4 nights a week when showering to avoid a damp strap at night time. Tend to shower with it after Zwifting in the evening thinking it's a bit damp then anyway so gets a wash. Maybe a bit less in the winter when it's colder and a few more times in the summer when I've had suncream on (got a beauty of a tanline from it at the weekend)!

I used to wear mine solely on my right wrist as wear a watch on the left. I thought the same, honestly thought I was giving myself arthritis from a wet band, particularly in the winter. One of the reasons I stopped using it. The right hand is also my mouse hand and the type of work I do / software I use is heavily mouse dependant so it may have been due to that a bit. I don't work as much now or wear a whoop so never figured it out :D
I like the look of the Whoop sport flex bands and from what I have read don't hold the damp like the default band. Expensive though. Ali Express and Temu do fake ones for a tenth of the price that will be worth a gamble.
 
Whoever suggested the decathlon energy bars, thank you. They are delicious. Not super cheap but about par for cheap energy gels and they are lovely and really easy to eat.
 
Also looks like the new assiomas based on their MX platform are getting close to launch. Some people clearly have them in their hands for testing. Wouldn't be surprised if the likes of GPLama has had them for a while too.

Day one purchase for me if they aren't extortionate. From what scant info there is out there, they are shimano based for sure. Not sure if they will have a look version available at launch too but honestly, I don't care!.
 
Has anyone been paying attention to the China cycling show? That new frame from Elite Wheels, under the brand name of 'Evolve' looks incredible.


Link to their website.

If Chinese brands can sort out their customer service, the big western brands should surely start to be in trouble. There was a Trace Velo video the other day at the same show where he mentioned a wholesaler would sale a carbon bike with dura-ace Di2 for < £3000 IIRC, but the catch was you needed to place an order for 25+ units.

I started the above video from the Evolve frame but the guy who owns/runs Panda Podium has made his own climbing wheelset. 884.8g for the wheelset... Bonkers. That's at the start.
 
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