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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

I saw a rumour post somewhere, can’t remember where tbh, about a 9080XT being a possibility. And after AMD saying they weren’t interested in high end anymore. Perhaps after selling a million or more of the 9070 series they think they can make a dent in team greens hold on the £800-£1200 bracket?
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Yyou don't need a need a £300 gpu to play CS.
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Its been many a moon since I played competitive cs but if you are running a 240hz 1080 screen you want to be capped at 240fps at all time with no drops in frames ever

winning it about consistency be that frames or latency

the 9060xt replaces the 7600xt and is 35% faster we think so a gen on gen improvement at the same release price point
 
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MissChief said:
I saw a rumour post somewhere, can’t remember where tbh, about a 9080XT being a possibility. And after AMD saying they weren’t interested in high end anymore. Perhaps after selling a million or more of the 9070 series they think they can make a dent in team greens hold on the £800-£1200 bracket?
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seen a few rumbles last week but only youtube
 
Game said:
if your playing Rocket league or counter strike its awsome

and to be honest the most taxing game I play on my 9070xt is warzone the only single player games I play are strat games

and loads of people like me will hardly every play a AAA game or care about them

you have your elitist goggles on
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Even if I did only play esports and old(er) stuff, seems a bit silly to buy a brand new card that is only suited for that task. Glass cannon comes to mind.

What happens if a new AAA game takes your fancy and you're stuck on low settings forever more? If someone has requirements that low, they probably have a card that already works, so why even upgrade?

If it comes through as advertised, I'd say the 16GB version is a decent price, maybe the card that takes AMD into the mainstream and I wouldn't recommend anyone make that saving on the lesser model because it'll bite you in the bum later.
 
Game said:
you know the hardware survey is not worldwide and skewed by which ever part of the world it was done in this month

they do not add this onto previous months each survey is unique so this month it could be a random part of china or central europe
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I've already shown in this thread this is a myth.

*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

Yes other than the MFG boosting fps on 5070, the 9070XT should wipe the floor with the 5070 and feel more responsive in the process thanks to higher base performance. I fully expect that the 5070 will still have the better visual presentation in games because of stuff like Ray reconstruction...
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It's telling how worried some are about the RX9000 series - that they have to find some way to dunk on the cards,but seemingly are less critical about the Nvidia cards. These include people who bought RTX4070 cards at RRP,which is why Nvidia launched the RTX5070 12GB at £540,which meant AMD could sell the RX9070/RX9070XT for more.

The last few pages has been hardly any discussion about the RX9060XT series launch and the very little talk has been dunking on them.

For example,the £315 RX9060XT almost matching the £380 to £400 RTX5060TI whilst using half the memory bandwidth and having a 16X PCI-E link.

Instead we have people extolling the virtues of the RTX5060TI which costs more and will probably perform worse on older systems due to the 8X link and potential CPU overhead issues.
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I really don't understand the blind love for Nvidia.

I got a 5080 at launch, and a 9070xt at launch.

The 5080 took three months for a useable driver, and now I'm not updating due to fear. Now it finally performs how I expected it to, after overclocking/undervolting. But it's been a complete pain in the arse, and I wish I'd never bought it. And I was fortunate not to have missing ROPs or a melty connector (yet). The whole experience has not matched the ridiculous price of entry, and I could never recommend or defend Nvidia to anyone after this.

The 9070xt (after my Reaper had to go back because it was DOA) has given me absolutely no problems, and performs very well for what it is (£630 Sapphire Pure). The only issue is the slow FSR4 rollout.

The 9060xt 8gb is **** and shouldn't be more than $200 because it's hamstrung by the VRAM. The silicon is a complete waste, so the card shouldn't exist at all. And if it absolutely needs to, then it should be called something else. They should've made a 9060 GRE with 12gb and a cut down die. They should be progressing away from 8gb cards, not making more of them. Anyone who only needs 8gb of VRAM likely already has one, and if they don't they should buy a used 3070 or something.
 
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Your absolutely right, someone will come along and ask questions about these polls. I'm just one of them.

1) Polling is so inconsistent that the end result has to be scewed. It can be by 1% or 20%, we don't know, but scewed it certainly is. I never, on linux nor windows, get asked to take the survey. The last time I was asked to do it was when I plugged in a temporary 980ti while waiting for the 9070 launch. For context, I have had a 6700XT, 6950XT, a B580, RX 9070 and 2 different platforms, 3 different CPUs and several different os installs(between windows and linux) over the last 3 years time. Just the one survey though.
It wouldn't be that difficult to tie a hardware setup to a user account and detect when hardware is then changed and trigger a survey and update the end result while creating a separate group just for internet cafe machines while still counting them.

2) I'm fairly certain the 9000 series doesn't get picked up correctly by name and is lumped in with other AMD GPUs under a generic name as it isn't on the charts whatsoever by its own name. If you take a look at this screenshot from today you can see a decrease in feb and a new increase of almost 1% in marts. Interesting :). What was it that happened in start March? The 9070 launched. So that is your own words a possible sale of 1.000.000 GPUs for AMD/RTG(1%=1.3 mill users). Couple that theory together with CEO statement of "9070 XT selling 10X than prev gen in 1 week" I would say that AMD/RTG should be pretty satisfied by the result.
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My 9070 after I trigger the survey manually:
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I will absolutely agree that the pricing of the 9070 series isn't great. Some countries is worse than others. Overall it stinks. BUT! there is a reason for why the 5070 can be had now for less than MSRP in some places and the 9070 can't. Supply and Demand. The 9070 is clearly selling spite the price whereas the 5070 arn't versus available inventory. Nvidia doesn't do charity, never has, so the lower price is clearly to move some inventory that is otherwise stuck on shelves. Neither does AMD btw, which is why the price is where it is, as shelves are emptied all the time. But now that availability has improved, the prices have come down a bit. Supply and demand.
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Just to tackle your survey point.

In steam can you go to Help -> System Information.

In there you will see you full system information and specifically the the DirectX Video Card. If that does not show a 9070 then I'm happy to admit, Steam is not identifying the graphics card.

I suspect though it is, and the 9070 will eventually appear in the survey showing low historic data, rather than blank data.
 
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I even asked Gemini about the Steam Hardware Survey:

Sampling and Limitations: The Steam Hardware Survey is an opt-in, anonymous survey of a random sample of Steam users. It's not a comprehensive count of every single Steam user. There can also be biases and fluctuations in the data, sometimes influenced by specific regions (like large influxes of users from internet cafes in China) or by how certain GPUs are grouped (e.g., mobile and desktop variants of the same card). Low-market-share GPUs might be lumped into an "Other" category until they reach a certain threshold.

Gibbo has said over 15,000 sold in 3 months. And it has been a very strong AMD release. There are 840 online computer retailers in the UK (apparently). If we guesstimate the top 10 all sold similar amounts that's 150,000 in 3 months. I just can't get onboard with the steam results.
 
muon said:
Just to tackle your survey point.

In steam can you go to Help -> System Information.

In there you will see you full system information and specifically the the DirectX Video Card. If that does not show a 9070 then I'm happy to admit, Steam is not identifying the graphics card.

I suspect though it is, and the 9070 will eventually appear in the survey showing low historic data, rather than blank data.
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I did that. Here is the result

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Firegod said:
Doesn't look promising does it. What should we expect to see here, an actual product name?
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I suppose the name "RX 9070" or "Navy 48" somewhere in the video section. Neither is to be found anywhere in system information. My 5800X3D is seen correctly though and named as well.

EDIT: And before someone comes along an claims its because I'm running linux and linux isn't naming the GPU correctly, heres a screendump of my terminal info.
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This is the *** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill *** thread,not the Steam Hardware survey thread? If it's so important to some,why not make a separate thread talking about it,instead of pages of stuff nobody really cares about.

I will save people the effort - Nvidia makes more cards than AMD,so will sell more. AMD is doomed.The end.

There is hardly any discussion of RDNA4 stuff on here. Anybody looking at this thread wouldn't realise the rest of the RDNA4 range is being released tomorrow at 2pm.
 
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GN's 5060 review contains a couple of "do not buy, wait for the 9060XT reviews" moments so I guess that's it confirmed. I wonder just how much better it'll be, 7700XT levels for £270 ? Little faster, same price?
 
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GN's 5060 review contains a couple of "do not buy, wait for the 9060XT reviews" moments so I guess that's it confirmed. I wonder just how much better it'll be, 7700XT levels for £270 ?
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The leaked review had the RTX5060TI 16GB around 5% to 6% faster than an RX9060XT 16GB but with higher minimums. So around RX7700XT rasterised performance,but with RT performance around an RX7800XT? Gibbo said 16GB cards start at £315,which is roughly around the RX7600XT 16GB price.

If the higher minimums are seen in other reviews,I suspect it's down to the RX9060 series having a 16x PCI-E slot instead of the 8X slot on the RTX5060TI.

The RX9060XT 8GB is slightly lower clocked,so I expect it will be closer to an RTX4060TI 8GB overall.

Although I think the 8GB card is a false economy,I will be intrigued to see how the 8GB RTX5060/RTX5060TI and 8GB RX9060XT stacks up,especially on older PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 4.0 systems.
 
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