*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[mrk]

Yes other than the MFG boosting fps on 5070, the 9070XT should wipe the floor with the 5070 and feel more responsive in the process thanks to higher base performance. I fully expect that the 5070 will still have the better visual presentation in games because of stuff like Ray reconstruction, Reflex 2 and the new DLSS upscaler model.

We will have to see if AMD has anything to compete with that suite with FSR4 as nothing as of yet points to that being the case.

 

[greatash]

AMD back with their $50 discount

 

[ICDP]

Yes other than the MFG boosting fps on 5070, the 9070XT should wipe the floor with the 5070 and feel more responsive in the process thanks to higher base performance. I fully expect that the 5070 will still have the better visual presentation in games because of stuff like Ray reconstruction, Reflex 2 and the new DLSS upscaler model.

We will have to see if AMD has anything to compete with that suite with FSR4 as nothing as of yet points to that being the case.

There is literally a video from HUB and other channels showing how FSR4 has improved a lot over FSR3. AMD have a FSR3 vs FSR4 demo at CES. If it matches DLSS 3 then would that still not be good enough?

 

[Game]

if the embargo is the 22nd Jan they are looking to Gazump the 5070 Febuary/March release so could well be sub £550


the reported 4080 performance levels do sound promising

 

[Gerard]

AMD back with their $50 discount

Yeah, 549 to an alleged 479 is 50 right enough.

 

[Gerard]

if the embargo is the 22nd Jan they are looking to Gazump the 5070 Febuary/March release so could well be sub £550


the reported 4080 performance levels do sound promising

According to kitguru the driver the manufacturers has is 'handicapped' so the true performance levels have yet to be shown.

I think 4080 levels is a bit much, maybe a few % off that, then again ya never know.

 

[ICDP]

Yeah, 549 to an alleged 479 is 50 right enough.

I know, the difference between 50 and 70 is 40%. Nothing like cutting AMD some slack with the BS is there.

 

[mrk]

There is literally a video from HUB and other channels showing how FSR4 has improved a lot over FSR3. AMD have a FSR3 vs FSR4 demo at CES. If it matches DLSS 3 then would that still not be good enough?

That is just the upscaler. There is no showcase or word on what else FSR4 has, and the FSR4 upscaler being better than FSr3 isn't exactly a surprise considering how crap FSR3 upscaling is and has been for so long lol. Also remember FSR4 is only available on the 9070 series as confirmed by AMD on stage. So no, at this stage it isn't good enough.

 

[Gerard]

I know, the difference between 50 and 70 is 40%. Nothing like cutting AMD some slack with the BS is there.

Especially if the performance is as good, if it's a couple % slower not a big deal either as it cost less.

 

[ICDP]

According to kitguru the driver the manufacturers has is 'handicapped' so the true performance levels have yet to be shown.

I think 4080 levels is a bit much, maybe a few % off that, then again ya never know.

It should be noted that a few % off a 4080 is just a few % higher than a 7900 XT in raster. OC vs OC my 7900 XT is only 5% slower than my 4080 in raster.

A 7900 XT is about 30% faster than a 7800 XT. I posted a few months back that about 7900 XT or slightly below 4080 in raster was possible and that 4070Ti in RT is a good RT baseline. 30% is about the normal gen vs gen increase.

None of the performance figures coming out are at all surprising. I just don’t believe the “non release drivers” mantra. I will be very surprised if it beats the 7900 XT in raster.

 

[Bidley]

That is just the upscaler. There is no showcase or word on what else FSR4 has, and the FSR4 upscaler being better than FSr3 isn't exactly a surprise considering how crap FSR3 upscaling is and has been for so long lol. Also remember FSR4 is only available on the 9070 series as confirmed by AMD on stage. So no, at this stage it isn't good enough.

In Q&As they were non-committal about FSR4 being exclusive to the 90x0 series. More likely it will be to begin with.

 

[mrk]

How, it requires AI hardware that the 9070 has but previous cards don't. If it goes to previous RDNA cards then it will be a cut down version like XeSS on global cards vs Arc cards.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Yes other than the MFG boosting fps on 5070,

 

[Bidley]

How, it requires AI hardware that the 9070 has but previous cards don't. If it goes to previous RDNA cards then it will be a cut down version like XeSS on global cards vs Arc cards.

7000 series does have AI accelerators, just fewer. Like you say, it will probably be a cut down version. If it's just the upscaler without the FG then it'll be a winner IMO.

 

[ICDP]

That is just the upscaler. There is no showcase or word on what else FSR4 has, and the FSR4 upscaler being better than FSr3 isn't exactly a surprise considering how crap FSR3 upscaling is and has been for so long lol. Also remember FSR4 is only available on the 9070 series as confirmed by AMD on stage. So no, at this stage it isn't good enough.

I assume you were this critical of Nvidia when they locked DLSS and Frame Gen to newer gen GPUs?

I also assume you were praising AMD for giving other older GPUs access to FSR etc?

I am happy to see FSR4 take a decent jump up in quality for the performance mode settings. To be fair FSR at 4K quality is more than usable but at lower resolutions it was in need of big improvement.

 

[Chrisc]

I was quite harsh on AMD initially but after having a proper look at the 5070 specs it seems like it’s not going to be much better than a 4070 super despite what uncle Jensen says so AMD have a good chance here if they don’t get greedy.

Credit to Nvidia, they nail their Keynotes.

A step back and a proper look, and you realise it isnt quite as good as its made out.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Are these cards going to play well with the AI apps or same story as previous series? Anyone know? Or got to wait for people to try them and see? I don't suppose reviews will really cover those.. just gaming

 

[mrk]

I assume you were this critical of Nvidia when they locked DLSS and Frame Gen to previous gen GPUs?

Well yes because I bought a 40 series to be able to use it. But also no because I understood why it wasn't on 30 series, the optical flow accelerators in 30 series are not mature enough to provide decent performance at a hardware level, so like you can understand why FSR4 is RDNA4 only, the same notion applies to DLSS FG on 40 series and up only.

I also assume you were praising AMD for giving other older GPUs access to FSR etc?

Well no because FSR has been and still is pretty crap compared to both XeSS and DLSS, Intel get the praise in this regard for doing a better job than AMD. Which is the reason why AMD have moved FSR into a hardware ML based upscaler instead.

 

[ICDP]

Credit to Nvidia, they nail their Keynotes.

A step back and a proper look, and you realise it isnt quite as good as its made out.

I still suspect it will be a bit faster than a 4070 Ti, so a bit more optimistic. The 5070Ti at $750 will just about beat a 4080 Super. The 5080 will be a touch slower than a 4090.

So about 25% better or up one level across the stack. Where Nvidia will be pushing the narrative will be on the new AI features. Another 2000 series stunt, promises of what the future will bring.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

You might know that, I might know that, but the general buying public have proven over the last generations by buying 3060s and 4060s over AMD's 70 class cards because "DLSS and RT is betterer" AMD have had to reduce pricing to move units.

I bought a 4060 (well 4060 Ti) over a 7700XT.
I wanted a 7700XT but AMD (and partners) decided that we can't have 2-slot coolers on the 7000 series cards.

Does make me wonder if we'll see smaller coolers on the 9000 series. I guess that'll depend partly on the TDP of the cards. Wonder if they've managed to lower that this time around?

I'm also wondering, if FSR4 is restricted to the new cards, will AMD get as much stick for their "planned obsolescence" or whatever as Nvidia do when something isn't backwards compatible to every GPU they've ever made?


I'm looking for a new GPU but so far I'm a little underwhelmed by the offering of both sides. I was all set to get a 5090 but the rumoured performance increase for the announced price (plus what 3rd party's will add on) is making that less attractive at the minute. So might aim a bit lower down the stack, perhaps the 9070XT will be a possibility depending on where it actually sits in the stack.
At this point I just need 3rd party hands-on reviews of everything (in the new X3D CPUs ideally).