Robert Jordan’s fantasy epic The Wheel of Time coming to TV

The second (and final) season of The Sandman is out next month. Is your life expectancy really that short?

Interesting point, I never really consider comics as I don't "read" them
I watched about 2/3 of the last series after building well a couple of iffy episodes put me off and there was other stuff I was watching at that time.
I should go back and rewatch it.

But I really meant as in someone starting a new series or reattempting eg WOT
 
But I really meant as in someone starting a new series or reattempting eg WOT

There's plenty of new seasons of existing shows. Plenty of fresh attempts at previously adapted franchises in the pipeline (e.g. the new Harry Potter series, Gretta Gerwig's Narnia movies, The Dark Tower series). And there's no shortage of spin-offs (e.g. A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, or The Hunt for Gollum).

But in terms of fresh franchises, yeah, I agree. There's not a lot slated for release in the next 18 months or so. Everything interesting is further out (and therefore easy to scrap).
 
They might claim that but it's not a complete adaptation, they've got like another 60 comics to cover. Also not sure why you're linking me a phone case :P

I guess it will be obvious one way or another once it's out. The audiobook adaptation only runs for three volumes totalling ~35 hours (which, for reference, is barely any longer than the latest audio adaptation of The Eye of the World). It could be following the same path as those.

I'm not sure what happened with the link :cry: I must have copied an ad URL by accident.
 
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Having read the WoT in its entirety at least twice and some of the earlier books an extra time I might be called an Ultra and having discussed the books and the series with other book fans I'm not sure I've ever spoken to anyone who doesn't think the books themselves let alone the a TV series based on the books didn't need serious pruning. Most criticisms of the TV series from book readers I've read is not the cuts but the new creative choices that undermine some of the key character arcs or progressions for seemingly unintelligible reasons. A TV show based on the best 25% of the books would probably meet most book readers expectations as long as the crappy original ideas were kept to a m,inimum, say 0%.
 
I'm not sure I've ever spoken to anyone who doesn't think the books themselves let alone the a TV series based on the books didn't need serious pruning.

That's an understatement.

I don't know a single person who didn't at least struggle with some of the early-mid books and many that shelved it entirely, I almost quit due to them in fact and I have borderline OCD when it comes to needing to finish novels I'm not particularly enjoying. That's not even addressing the absolute splatter of forgotten offshoot storylines and side characters outside of it, you could easily narrow WoT down to a third of its size and it would frankly be all the better for it.

In all my years of being a fan of the genre I don't think I've come across a series that despite being so well regarded has caused so many to give up on it. I mentioned this earlier, when it's good it's among the best, but you really need to struggle through to reach those points. This will probably sound awful, but despite my being upset that Jordan passed away long before his time, I'm glad that Brandon Sanderson took over and finished the series. It picks up and focuses immensely when he does so, I've heard people complain about him more or less cutting a bunch of story threads and characters, but the fact is he would still be trying to finish the series to this day if he hadn't.
 
That's an understatement.

I don't know a single person who didn't at least struggle with some of the early-mid books and many that shelved it entirely, I almost quit due to them in fact and I have borderline OCD when it comes to needing to finish novels I'm not particularly enjoying. That's not even addressing the absolute splatter of forgotten offshoot storylines and side characters outside of it, you could easily narrow WoT down to a third of its size and it would frankly be all the better for it.

In all my years of being a fan of the genre I don't think I've come across a series that despite being so well regarded has caused so many to give up on it. I mentioned this earlier, when it's good it's among the best, but you really need to struggle through to reach those points. This will probably sound awful, but despite my being upset that Jordan passed away long before his time, I'm glad that Brandon Sanderson took over and finished the series. It picks up and focuses immensely when he does so, I've heard people complain about him more or less cutting a bunch of story threads and characters, but the fact is he would still be trying to finish the series to this day if he hadn't.

A picture says 1000 words. Robert Jordan : "hold my beer"

25% does feel about right as a target for pruning, that would put it probably at 150-175% of so of LOTR (by words written) and would be a nice size for say a 5 season (max) or 3-4 film adaption.

Problem is, again, fans happy to chop up and change the authors work on stuff they agree with, but cannot accept change they don't.
I am not convinced Robert Jordan would have been any more accepting of someone chopping 75% of his book as needing pruning as he would have been of a little "woke" being added.
In fact I would argue an author may well see the first as a more significant assault on their works, and that its just peoples other prejudices being hidden using changing things as an excuse.

I find it interesting in that I believe if you have read a works you become more invested, drawing some mental pictures and having a richer more detailed world set out.
Unless the adaption is bringing something excellent its going to struggle against that vision.
LOTR with Jackson has someone who instead of brining a version to the screen brought his version, with a very detailed setup of all the things that mattered to him.
His understanding was probably 5x most fans.
I remember Bernard Hill saying just putting the armour on made him feel part of Theoden, with stuff like the imprints on the inside no one else would see.
Thats Jackson getting to create as close to ME as he could, with other peoples money.

I read Silence of the Lambs before the film. I was a bit meh about it, where as everyone else seeing it was raving. I was meh as it dropped stuff, changed stuff etc
Its the same as happens in just about any conversion, that stuff thats written for film/serialisation doesn't suffer from.

Crossing threads but its going to be interesting to see on Harry Potter.
As someone who has never read the books (I am actually waiting for the new audible conversions with something like 100 actors doing them), I didn't have the issue of things having been changed.
I suspect for many people the films are the definitive version of Potter, at least for now.
Potter will be interesting, obviously JKR is still alive and we know has strong views on some things but her views on other stuff that would be considered woke do not seem to be in the public arena.
One other thing thats interesting is she has strong female characters already so thats not lacking, its already more modern than stuff written by old white blokes who only really wrote strong white men as the good guys (JRRT in particular)
 
I am not convinced Robert Jordan would have been any more accepting of someone chopping 75% of his book as needing pruning as he would have been of a little "woke" being added.
In fact I would argue an author may well see the first as a more significant assault on their works, and that its just peoples other prejudices being hidden using changing things as an excuse.
It depends on the author and editor. A good editor helps the author refine the story, helps spot unnecessary drivel and assists the author in making their books better. I think Robert Jordan was given free rein because fans were buying the books no matter what so the publishers were happy to let him get on with it and keep him onside. It was the same with Harry Potter and JK Rowling. The first three or four books were great fun. The last ones were turgid and overly long because Rowling had too much power and/ or editors were afraid to suggest cuts.

EDIT: An example of a good editor at work was mentioned by Raymond E Feist regarding Magician. There was a large chunk cut of a conversation between two main characters. Despite it being a long time since I've read the book, I remember that section well because it was in a super special extended anniversary edition (you know the type) and it was boring... Feist himself noted that the book was better for it being cut out and had only been inserted again for the fans
 
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So... is thing worth watching, in today's world?
I saw a bit of Ep 01 and it looked like it had the same production level as The Outpost, but without the same low-budget charm...
 
So... is thing worth watching, in today's world?
I saw a bit of Ep 01 and it looked like it had the same production level as The Outpost, but without the same low-budget charm...

I thought it was OK though there is a lot of time spent talking about doing things rather than doing them and there is a big variation in the acting quality.
 
So... is thing worth watching, in today's world?
I saw a bit of Ep 01 and it looked like it had the same production level as The Outpost, but without the same low-budget charm...
It's worth a watch as it does get better as it goes on. Every season is an improvement on the previous. Season three was very well done imo and well received by the vast majority of people.
 
I was thinking about starting it as well then saw it was cancelled. Does Season 3 leave lots of loose ends? Because I'm not sure I can deal with that if I get that far...
 
I was thinking about starting it as well then saw it was cancelled. Does Season 3 leave lots of loose ends? Because I'm not sure I can deal with that if I get that far...

Yes for sure lots of uncomplete arcs.
Its sort of written (there were some rumours of no S4 already) to bring a soft ending to the arcs but its not a hard ending if that makes sense.
 
Yes for sure lots of uncomplete arcs.
Its sort of written (there were some rumours of no S4 already) to bring a soft ending to the arcs but its not a hard ending if that makes sense.

To be honest it has increasingly put me off watching let alone getting invested in shows Amazon produces - far too many promising shows have been killed off right after building up audience expectations such as Night Sky.
 
To be honest it has increasingly put me off watching let alone getting invested in shows Amazon produces - far too many promising shows have been killed off right after building up audience expectations such as Night Sky.

Its not just Amazon though, its industry wide.
Amazon stepped in to save The Expanse for example.

Sarah Connor chronicles is probably the most painful one for me as I really really liked that.
At least some series they do manage to wrap it up, even if its clearly a create an ending thats just cutting short what they have been building.

Dark Angel was another, which is an interesting one, filmed around 2000 and yet the drones (like HK drones) seemed so fantasy, and yet 25 years later they almost sound backwards.
It managed two seasons, a viewership of way more than some other series, had James Cameron as director when he was pretty popular and yet they canned before the third planned final season.

A couple of years ago I swore I would not invest any more time into series that were not completed, after Another Life (Netflix) was canned. Alas I find myself unable to do that with series I really want to watch.

Oddly for all the criticism the BBC get they tend to be able to ignore stuff like audience numbers and complete stuff they set out to do.
 
Oddly for all the criticism the BBC get they tend to be able to ignore stuff like audience numbers and complete stuff they set out to do.
Survivors from 20 odd years ago got canned on a cliff hanger by the Beeb which is a very unusual thing to happen.

After WoT, I’m not going to watch any new series until they’re complete or have at least gained enough momentum to avoid cancellation. Life is too short to watch incomplete TV shows
 
Survivors from 20 odd years ago got canned on a cliff hanger by the Beeb which is a very unusual thing to happen.

After WoT, I’m not going to watch any new series until they’re complete or have at least gained enough momentum to avoid cancellation. Life is too short to watch incomplete TV shows
I share your frustration. The problem with some of these shows is the price, they are so expensive that lack of immediate success is fatal. I just can't believe how often these companies screw the pooch on such major shows. WoT and RoP must be phenomenally expensive but both have been big misses from a storytelling point of view. When Tony Gilroy said Andor S2 cost $650m I was amazed. Honestly it looks the money it is utterly gorgeous no expense spared but how did they justify such an awesome amount for a streaming TV show. Alhough in fairness it was the ONLY reason I resubbed Disney+ and I will keep it a few more months whilst I catch up on some less desirable shows.
 
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