*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[mahius]

Surely the bottom-of-the-stack card is just supposed to be cheap, not exciting?

There's no such thing as a bad GPU, only bad pricing. Even though Nvidia is trying on the bad GPU part this gen

Given the performance, this 9060XT should ideally have cost no more than £300 for the 16GB models, even for the fanciest AIB models. Which in the past wouldn't be an issue as GPUs used to slowly go down in price, sometimes going from not worth buying to being a great buy, rather than go up after launch like they do nowadays.

I guess we've forgotten the glory days of the past, like the RX480. Providing R9 390X tier performance for almost half the price. I mean sure, it was like £100 or so less than the R9 390X, but when it's under £200 (I know a couple of folks who bought them and still have them in their PCs to this very day, one even paid only £160ish for their 4GB model) for performance that was previously £300+ that's a massive reduction in proportional price for the performance. Even the GTX 1060 came close to the GTX 970 that cost similarly more.

I know inflation and such plays a bit part, though IMO it's not much of an argument when people's income hasn't gone up in line with inflation. But it's crazy to think back in my day, not even an entry level GPU could be had for around £100 or a bit more. Now folks are having to pay for entry level, what we once paid for 2nd best. And heck, this inflation argument falls apart when we see other PC hardware like CPUs maintaining affordable pricing and especially how amazing monitors have gotten over the past decade. It's crazy to think how dirt cheap a decent monitor is these days. I paid almost £500 for a 1440p144 IPS. Now better monitors can be had for ~£150 and there's one announced at CES thats 4k high refresh for ~£300. GPUs have no excuse for their pricing other than greed.

The 9060XT still a great upgrade for folks who haven't upgraded in a very long time, even if those folks will be paying a lot more nowadays for their upgrade. But for folks who have GPUs like the 6700XT all the way up to 7800XT and don't have the £500+ budget for 9070 non-XT and 5070s... the pickings are slim for upgrades. Not that one should upgrade so quickly, but some folks may have temporarily downgraded, etc, waiting for something worthwhile to come along.

 

[Harlequin]

9060 is the segment lower than the 7700XT (just as the 5060 is the segment lower than the 4070). So uplift in performance for less money. Apparently that upsets some people.

 

[ChosenName]

9060 is the segment lower than the 7700XT (just as the 5060 is the segment lower than the 4070). So uplift in performance for less money. Apparently that upsets some people.

Some seem to hanker after the halcyon days of massive generational performance increases (without a pro-rata price increase) - back in the days when dGPUs weren't vying for NVidia's / AMD's silicon allocation with more profitable market segments.

 

[d_brennen]

Was debating what to do in light of the 9060XT launch, ended up ordering a 9070, used a £20 off offer to use PayPal finance so £549. Still £50 more than I would have liked but I buy GPUs every 3-6 years so it seems!

 

[Troezar]

Was debating what to do in light of the 9060XT launch, ended up ordering a 9070, used a £20 off offer to use PayPal finance so £549. Still £50 more than I would have liked but I buy GPUs every 3-6 years so it seems!

Seems like the sweet spot for 1440p >60fps with decent power draw.

 

[michty_me]

Prices are up by the looks of it for the 9060 lineups.

 

[CosminO]

The pricing on the Asus Prime @314.99 must've been a once in a blue moon situation. No 'premium' on it.

 

[Gibbo]

The pricing on the Asus Prime @314.99 must've been a once in a blue moon situation. No 'premium' on it.

They have no MSRP sku, so they just chucked a load of money at that for 10 units, lasted less than 60 seconds.
Still plenty of £315 Sapphire left.

 

[Skyboy]

The pricing on the Asus Prime @314.99 must've been a once in a blue moon situation. No 'premium' on it.

Prime is Asus's lowest tier, I've seen the prime sell at MSRP for many of the RTX 5000 series.

The Asus prime 9060 xt 16gb @314.99 is interesting though.
If you want the 8gb model you have to pay a premium as the price is £338.24

 

[Gibbo]

Prime is Asus's lowest tier, I've seen the prime sell at MSRP for many of the RTX 5000 series.

The Asus prime 9060 xt 16gb @314.99 is interesting though.
If you want the 8gb model you have to pay a premium as the price is £338.24

Dual is lowest tier, but they have no dual for 16G as such they just funded it to sell Prime below cost, hence very limited quantity, its not a real price, those who get one, very lucky.

 

[Poneros]

If I compare the 9060 XT to my RX 6800 it's actually quite decent. Better RT, great upscaling, lower power consumption, and close to half the price - (a bit less than) 5 years later. Most importantly imo is that it offer a good option for budget gamers so there's no major compromises like before - 4060 (too little vram), B580 (bad software support), 7600 XT (weak RT & upscaling). People can finally make a 'PS5 Pro'-killer PC for a similar price to the console.

 

[welshrat]

If I compare the 9060 XT to my RX 6800 it's actually quite decent. Better RT, great upscaling, lower power consumption, and close to half the price - (a bit less than) 5 years later. Most importantly imo is that it offer a good option for budget gamers so there's no major compromises like before - 4060 (too little vram), B580 (bad software support), 7600 XT (weak RT & upscaling). People can finally make a 'PS5 Pro'-killer PC for a similar price to the console.

Not sure it's ps5 pro killer, I am guessing it's pretty close. I know that my pro is great in the games that have support (assassins creed, kingdom come 2) and I own a 9070xt so am not some console warrior.

 

[Grim5]

New AMD extreme APU used for the new Xbox handheld

 

[Chrisc]

Nice to see another brand (XFX) going up for the 9070 series. will be interesting to see prices.

 

[Freddie1980]

New AMD extreme APU used for the new Xbox handheld

'Xbox handled' it's glorified ROG Ally with a debloated version of Windows.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

TPU have hinted at improved memory management with RDNA4:

PowerColor Radeon RX 9060 XT Reaper 8 GB Review

We're taking a look at the AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 8 GB, which comes with only half the memory size of the 16 GB models, but is at least $50 cheaper. Data from the review suggests that NVIDIA's memory management is much less efficient than the one used on RDNA 4, giving AMD the upper hand.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD possesses a significant advantage they might not even be fully aware of—their more efficient memory management compared to NVIDIA Blackwell. In my experience, keeping VRAM usage under 8 GB to prevent stuttering is simpler with AMD's RX 9060 XT 8 GB than with NVIDIA's 8 GB RTX 5060 and 5060 Ti models, particularly when using ray tracing. More research is needed, and there's a chance NVIDIA could resolve this through driver improvements.

I wonder if it is this:

RDNA 4's "Out-of-Order" Memory Accesses

Examining RDNA 4's out-of-order memory accesses in detail, and investigating with testing

chipsandcheese.com

 

[Grim5]

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

some really nasty results in there, hope AMD arent continuing to manufacture the 8gb after that pasting they been getting, or they just trying to do the same as nvidia but much worse at it

 

[ICDP]

some really nasty results in there, hope AMD arent continuing to manufacture the 8gb after that pasting they been getting, or they just trying to do the same as nvidia but much worse at it

OK, I’m not defending 8GB GPUs, but did you read the article before you made the ludicrous claim that AMD are much worse at it? The AMD 8GB card is faring better than Nvidia 8GB.

I think both are a waste of money, but someone else with a low end system and a 1080p monitor might find value in them.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

TPU have hinted at improved memory management with RDNA4:

PowerColor Radeon RX 9060 XT Reaper 8 GB Review

We're taking a look at the AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 8 GB, which comes with only half the memory size of the 16 GB models, but is at least $50 cheaper. Data from the review suggests that NVIDIA's memory management is much less efficient than the one used on RDNA 4, giving AMD the upper hand.

www.techpowerup.com

I wonder if it is this:

RDNA 4's "Out-of-Order" Memory Accesses

Examining RDNA 4's out-of-order memory accesses in detail, and investigating with testing

chipsandcheese.com

some really nasty results in there, hope AMD arent continuing to manufacture the 8gb after that pasting they been getting, or they just trying to do the same as nvidia but much worse at it

How is Nvidia better if their memory management is worse and the RTX5060TI only has a PCI-E 8x connection?

It wouldn't surprise me if the RTX5060TI 16GB might also have more problems on older systems.