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Boeing awarded contract for F-47 fighter


Not sure Boeing would be the best company but I know they subsumed a lot of the previous companies that existed that used to build fighters.
Cue massive cost overruns, changing goalposts by the air force and when it finally arrives most of the things it's supposed to have won't work until upgrades at a later date.
 
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Doesn't look good - F-35 looked like it was going down before it went off flight radar (hopefully an emergency landing), looks like the the RAF aircraft detached from their normal patrol to try and assist in some way.

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As it went for altitude prior to losing it very rapidly, rather than dropping out from regular controlled flight, it was probably a managed descent.

EDIT: Though the aircraft squawking 7700 isn't necessarily the one in difficulty in a situation like this.
 
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Doesn't look good - F-35 looked like it was going down before it went off flight radar (hopefully an emergency landing), looks like the the RAF aircraft detached from their normal patrol to try and assist in some way.

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As it went for altitude prior to losing it very rapidly, rather than dropping out from regular controlled flight, it was probably a managed descent.

EDIT: Though the aircraft squawking 7700 isn't necessarily the one in difficulty in a situation like this.

I can't think of a reason where an aircraft would squawk 7700 on behalf of another aircraft in difficulty. I think you can pretty much assume that the one squawking mayday is the one in trouble. Also, I'm not entirely sure how accurate the data derived from flight radar actually is. Starting at a low altitude and slowly working up to 20-25,000 feet over 6 hours doesn't seem right and the ground speed increase seems only to relate to the increase in altitude and not any kind of manoeuvring. At the end of the trace the ground speed seems to drop from over 500kts to less than 100kts at over 25,000 feet, shortly prior to a climb of 6000 feet - that would indicate a complete loss of control (if it were even possible), at least to me and broadcasting that has quite severe security implications. In short, I'm sure the aircraft had some kind of difficulty but I'm not sure how much you can derive from the nature of the emergency from the above data.
 
You see military planes squawking 7700 on there all the time, its usually just training or an error on the platform. The data on there for military stuff is also not reliable so we never really know what has happened.
 
I can't think of a reason where an aircraft would squawk 7700 on behalf of another aircraft in difficulty.

Often with military aircraft they will be flying in pairs or more - there have been previous examples though it is unusual.

Also, I'm not entirely sure how accurate the data derived from flight radar actually is.

Not hugely accurate but it is indicative - the sudden peak in altitude just before the descent is probably a data error and it smooths between updates a lot. The actual updates when it is visible on FR are briefly near the start at low altitude then about the last 20 minutes or so.
 
I stand to be corrected, but I've never known any to be flown by private company in the UK. There are squadrons in the RAF and USAF who operate 'unmarked' ones as it were, the American ones in particular are painted black and have so much extra kit dripping off them you'd struggle to see the Chinook outline. They'd also be a ridiculously expensive way to transport people around with maintenance costs etc

Circling back to this - apparently belong to Royal Netherlands Air Force who sometimes do training missions over here.
 
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Doesn't look good - F-35 looked like it was going down before it went off flight radar (hopefully an emergency landing), looks like the the RAF aircraft detached from their normal patrol to try and assist in some way.

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As it went for altitude prior to losing it very rapidly, rather than dropping out from regular controlled flight, it was probably a managed descent.

EDIT: Though the aircraft squawking 7700 isn't necessarily the one in difficulty in a situation like this.
Did anything more come of this? Although I suspect they wouldn't be quick to admit an aircraft crash.
 
Did anything more come of this? Although I suspect they wouldn't be quick to admit an aircraft crash.

I haven't seen anything.

EDIT: Checking FR history the ICAO has been used several times since, though not sure if that is with the same plane as there is quite a lot of globe hopping between flights with the bare minimum of time for it to have gotten there.
 
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It's horrific. Looking at the videos, there are likely to be no survivors on board and several people will have been killed on the ground :(
 
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