Air India Crash

It seemed odd, it's like the pilot followed the normal stick movements and the nose raised but there was zero engine thrust (or at least enough thrust/lift to take off). Stalled and impacted the ground.

I've been on an Indian internal flight, Delhi to Pune, and we had to wait in the connecting tunnel, the engine cowls were opened and with a bunch of guys standing around, a guy was hitting things with a hammer. They closed the cowls after an hour or so and then allowed everyone to board.

Sad :( and although not what the families want - I hope the answers are quick in coming.
 
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bingham67 said:
If it was a double engine failure could it be that APU wasnt started immediately or we looking at something totally different? I remembered about Korean crash in recent times so I went back to look found this really good video from a Pilot who trains others in the simulator in horrendous scenario it really good but skip to 33 mins in video for detailed stuff but worth watching really good analysis.

I know we are talking at different planes but I read APU is on the 787 to, but my lack of skills or knowledge on it im not sure in this India crash it would make any difference.

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APU is the engine at the very back of the plane. Mostly used for on the ground power.
During flight it can be used as backup power not sure if that happens automatically or by crew turning it on.
You also have the RAT which is a little turbine that deploys to power critical stuff, but if you loose the engines it's irrelevant if you have power or not your going down.
 
bingham67 said:
If it was a double engine failure could it be that APU wasnt started immediately or we looking at something totally different? I remembered about Korean crash in recent times so I went back to look found this really good video from a Pilot who trains others in the simulator in horrendous scenario it really good but skip to 33 mins in video for detailed stuff but worth watching really good analysis.

I know we are talking at different planes but I read APU is on the 787 to, but my lack of skills or knowledge on it im not sure in this India crash it would make any difference.

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APU takes anywhere from 30-90 seconds to become operational. It would not play a single role in the short timespan of this flight.
 
It wouldn’t surprise me if a number of issues came together. Perhaps they mis calculated take off power, wrong flap settings, weight, didn’t back track etc.
 
It was hot and if they had an engine failure and with the startle effect forgot to raise the gear it could have been unable to climb. 787 engines are not very powerful.
 
robj20 said:
APU is the engine at the very back of the plane. Mostly used for on the ground power.
During flight it can be used as backup power not sure if that happens automatically or by crew turning it on.
You also have the RAT which is a little turbine that deploys to power critical stuff, but if you loose the engines it's irrelevant if you have power or not your going down.
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In the video linked it shows you have to press it on but I guess all planes are different, and that was from training procedure.

But as mentioned above due to the time it takes to turn it on probably useless in helping in this scenario.

Which in itself is quite scary what if other planes defect like this how is it survivable.
 
The kick up of dust/dirt at the end indicative of it reaching the very limit of the runway?

But that looked pretty normal to me, apart from it just stopped ascending.
 
Mr Jack said:
Being reported on Sky News that a British National survived the crash. Hopefully one of many survivors.
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How that even possible from that explosion obviously good to have survivors.

If you look at some of the footage some of the back of the plane is wedged into the building pretty untouched so could survived from that part?
 
inferno said:



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23 seconds from V1 rotate to impact, and 10 seconds after rotation before it sank down. I think it lost both engines

edit: 787 gear retraction time is 20 seconds from switches being selected till lights are green for lock. If the panels are going nuts at that point gear is the very last thing ; Aviate, Navigate, Communicate is the process.
 
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bingham67 said:
How that even possible from that explosion obviously good to have survivors.

If you look at some of the footage some of the back of the plane is wedged into the building pretty untouched so could survived from that part?
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Was sat at 11A seat near the front and window seat, so they state and on his ticket.

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