20k Hybrid or 10k Petrol Motor

How many 200 + mile trips do you make?

Also, if you plan on using just the electric motor, or then just the ICE when the motor is out of juice, it's not going to be a 250hp car.

2-4 times a year visiting relatives down south and taking my son to the coast.

Oh yea, I'm aware that. The pool car is a Golf e-Hybrid 201hp and you can certainly tell the difference when the batteries are charged and not.

The other thing is you don't have many years left to enjoy petrol cars, so maybe get one whilst you still can.

Yes true. I've never owned a turbo petrol either :(
 
It's normally trips to the coast, 80-120 miles each way. I just really don't fancy a full EV, even once or twice a year, the thought of having to stop and charge for an hour doesn't appeal at all.

An hour? You could get in to a 73kWh Ioniq 5 on a 22 plate for ~£17k with a 240-280 range that charges from 10-60% in 12 minutes.

You'll spend less time charging than you would going to a petrol station. Does that annoy you!
 
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An hour? You could get in to a 73kWh Ioniq 5 on a 22 plate for ~£17k with a 240-280 range that charges from 10-60% in 12 minutes.

You'll spend less time charging than you would going to a petrol station. Does that annoy you!

Which will also easily* do that 240 mile round trip in the summer (which is when I assume you'd be wanting to go to the coast) without needing to charge at all!

If you don't want an EV then fair enough, but at least make the decision based on facts rather than Daily Mail quality FUD :)


* unless you're doing 80+ the whole way
 
An hour? You could get in to a 73kWh Ioniq 5 on a 22 plate for ~£17k with a 240-280 range that charges from 10-60% in 12 minutes.

You'll spend less time charging than you would going to a petrol station. Does that annoy you!

Genuinely didn't know that was the case. Are the chargers that can achieve this common throughout the UK or less common?

Which will also easily* do that 240 mile round trip in the summer (which is when I assume you'd be wanting to go to the coast) without needing to charge at all!

If you don't want an EV then fair enough, but at least make the decision based on facts rather than Daily Mail quality FUD :)


* unless you're doing 80+ the whole way

I've spoken to colleagues and family who have them and they all regret it. "They're not practical", "you can't have the heater on without the mileage dipping", "charging takes 45 minutes plus".

I guess leasing over purchasing an EV is the better option due to the batteries?
 
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Genuinely didn't know that was the case. Are the chargers that can achieve this common throughout the UK or less common?
Have a look at things like ZapMap and A Better Route Planner - the latter in particular you could plot in a few typical journeys and see where it shows you charging stops etc.

Bear mind changes in mentality around charging too - whilst you might automatically think 'fill it up' because that's what you instinctively do with a petrol car, if you only need a 20% top up to get you back home where you can recharge properly then you'll be making very short stops in reality.
 
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Also, if you plan on using just the electric motor, or then just the ICE when the motor is out of juice, it's not going to be a 250hp car.
It is probably because my Astra is just a bit of a crappy car but when the battery is flat on mine (as in properly flat, not just zero EV miles showing) it is a complete dog to drive. To the point where you wonder if they even considered how it drives in that situation!

On the flip side my personal fuel use is less than 25% of what it was and I make a decent return on my fuel rate even on longer trips. Taking it steady in hybrid mode you can make the 10kWh battery provide assistance here and there for up to 200 miles in my experience, that gives some crazy fuel economy. Just a shame that the newer VAG stuff with more than double the range wasn't available at the time I had to swap out my company car.

Have a look at things like ZapMap and A Better Route Planner - the latter in particular you could plot in a few typical journeys and see where it shows you charging stops etc.

This is really sound advice. It's fine stating how quickly a car can charge on a rapid charger but if there isn't one on your route at a place you would want to stop that figure is meaningless.
 
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I've spoken to colleagues and family who have them and they all regret it.

"They're not practical",

This is completely untrue, we've run an e-Niro as our only family car for 2.5 years, and it's taken everything we've thrown at it, family of 4 on camping trips with a big dog in the boot and the roof loaded with tents/sleeping bags/etc. tip runs, loaded up with bags of cement and timber from B&Q, etc. It's no less practical than any other similar sized hatchback, regardless of the fuel type.

"you can't have the heater on without the mileage dipping",

Yup, this is true, it's not so much of an issue on newer cars with bigger batteries, but certainly, on the first gen Leaf/Zoe it could be a decent chunk of range. If you're looking at spending £10-20k then I doubt you'll be considering one of those though.

This is only really relevant in the winter, so if you are doing lots of very long trips in the winter then this is certainly a concern (along with the fact you'll lose ~30% range due to the cold weather anyway). In the summer then having the A/C on will hit the range (same as in an ICE...), although to a much lesser extent than heating; when it's warmer you'll be able to go further on a charge anyway.

"charging takes 45 minutes plus".

This is both true and isn't. If you're stopping at a motorway services with rapid chargers (e.g. 100+kw), most recent EVs will gain 100+ miles in the time it takes to take the kids to the toilet, grab a quick drink/snack, and stretch your legs for 5 minutes, so for practical purposes, it takes you ~2 minutes to charge (~1 min to plug it in and start the charge, ~1 min to end the charge and unplug). If you're going to the beach or something, then it can require some additional planning, and you might need to consider parking at a "non-optimum" location, but that aside, again you're looking at a couple of minutes to plug the car in when you park, and unplug it before you leave.

Recent example - we went camping in Wales last summer, stopped at Welshpool to charge (TBH we didn't actually need it, but figured it would give us a bit more buffer to play with while we were away), by the time I'd let the dog stretch her legs and do her business, and the kids and my partner had been to the loo and grabbed some snacks from the shop, the car was back up to ~90%. We got to our campsite with plenty of range left.
A couple of days in, we went to the beach at Fairbourne; now there is a car park right next to the beach, which we would have normally parked at; however since I thought we could do with a charge, I dropped my partner and the kids off at the closer car park, and parked at a different car park with a charger. This was pretty inconvenient, as it was at least 4 minutes walk away from the beach. Left the car there for most of the day - which was fine as it was only a 7kw charger - and IIRC it was up to ~70% when we got back to it later.
When we headed home we stopped at Welshpool again - same story, by the time the kids had been toileted and fed, and the dog had been sorted out, the car had more than enough range to get us home.

Total time spent "actively" charging: probably less than 15 minutes (including the walk from/to the further car park) over 300+ miles/5 days. This wasn't me driving for efficiency either - CC set to 75 on the motorway where possible, and with the car fully loaded and a massive roof bag on top killing the aerodynamics!

7-8 years ago I'd agree with charging being a pain; when we had the Zoe back in 2019/2020, it was a whole different ballgame, the car was slow to charge and there were very few chargers around! Since having the Niro, I've had to actively wait for a charge once, and that's only because all of the 150kw chargers at the services we stopped at weren't working, so we were stuck on the slower 50kw. Even then it was only an extra 30 minutes, and it just meant we ended up having lunch earlier than planned
 
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Genuinely didn't know that was the case. Are the chargers that can achieve this common throughout the UK or less common?

Here's a graph of the curve, in this instance 9-80% in 17 minutes. With regards to charger availability Ultra rapids are much more common these days and you generally don't need to look that hard for one, as mentioned used Zapmap and set the filters to 150kW+, and look for places you are likely to pass on route.

I have genuinely spent less time 'wasted' having to charge in the last 6 years almost that I would have having to pull up to a petrol station and refuel it, and my car was limited to 47kW peak! That includes long trips to Cornwall/Scotland etc. Once you start working it out it really adds up just how much time you are forced to waste refuelling an ICE car.

As for range of cars as someone else said day trips in a modern EV are a breeze. Check EV Database for real world ranges in various temps and driving styles, these are realistic ranges.

As for trekking long distances up and down the A1/Motorways, no matter which you power train you choose quality of life things like an auto box (or no gears in an EV) LKA, ACC and such are a must IMO.
 
Would you advise against purchasing an EV and opt for leasing instead?

If you're happy spending around £20k to get into something half decent, I think that's ideal and whatever you're buying will have most likely been through the worst of it's depreciation curve.

Leasing will put you in a new car but without access to salary sacrifice scheme or similar, chances are it won't come cheap.

The Ioniq 5 suggested earlier as a good second hand buy for example, when I looked quickly on leaseloco for leasing a new one were running up to £450+ per month for 3 years and 15k miles per year.
 
Just on the charging note. I bought an MG4 at the weekend and for reasons...I can only use rapid DC chargers currently, my commute when in the office is 110 miles.

On my way in this morning I stopped off at a Supercharger sat for 15-20 minutes and it got me from 11% to 83% battery which is enough for 233 miles according to the computer which seems pretty accurate so far.
Real world range at 100% is around 250-260 with mixed driving, so after approx. 210 miles a 15 minute break will probably do you some good anyway.

Once I've got the AC charging issue sorted and I can plug in at home/work/where ever there's any type of charger there'll be zero impracticality for me and I do an above average 20+k miles a year.
 
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Would you advise against purchasing an EV and opt for leasing instead?

As pointed out by another poster, if you go down purchasing an EV, go at least 1 -2 years old.

1st year (especially) depreciation on EVs is particularly insane. They all have silly and unrealistic list prices anyway.

You want avoid being left holding the bag of the first big hit.

Kia, Hyundai and MG all have long warrantiessoeven a year or two old one will have loads of manufacturer warranty left on it
 
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Would you advise against purchasing an EV and opt for leasing instead?

I 100% buy used, if you lease you'll end up spending more unless you find a cracking deal (which do exist). A few ideas below.

Ioniq 5 73kWh Ultimate spec - 22-plate.

CUPRA Born e-Boost 77kWh V2 22-plate - really nice car good range in 77kWh variant, maybe look for a V3 if you can.

Polestar 2 78kWh Long Range - 22-plate

Kia EV6 77.4kWh Air - 71 plate (long warranty is a bonus -2028 on this one)
 
I'm just waiting on clarification from HR if they're happy for me to use the pool car like I have been doing (taking it home on a Friday for use first thing Monday) as it will have a bearing on what I end up choosing.

Hopefully hear back this week.
 
With that price difference, a good petrol for 10k. Put the other 10k to work somewhere else (investment) and you'll end up with a lot more cash in the end.

Also consider a 20k+ hybrid/EV is going to depreciate a lot still, probably more than you save on fuel. A Fast ford won't.
 
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With that price difference, a good petrol for 10k. Put the other 10k to work somewhere else (investment) and you'll end up with a lot more cash in the end.

Also consider a 20k+ hybrid/EV is going to depreciate a lot still, probably more than you save on fuel. A Fast ford won't.
Either option would be financed, I don't have the cash to pay outright. I'd be looking at a PCP deal for an electric, or a standard car loan for the ST.

My thought process was I'd cover the monthly PCP fee with 3-4 trips claiming 0.45p per mile, anything above 4 trips a month would be extra cash for maintenance, rainy day, etc.

I'm still completely torn, I really didn't want an electric car but if I can make it financially beneficial + free charging at both work locations, then is that the best option for me?
 
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